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RedRob

Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Location: Narnia
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: AN historical, an historian etc...ermmm Why? |
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There must be some rule that I dunno about. Surely if there is no vowel directly after, I could say " a historic....", but it just seems wrong?
Is there a secret 'jump the H code' that I'm not aware of?? |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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It would be an honor to answer your question, but I really don't know. Sometimes the "H" is silent (honor, hour, etc), in which case it's understandable. "An historic"? I'm not sure that sounds right. |
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, according to my voice and articulation professor from college, the REAL pronunciation of "historic" is "istoric" |
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grainger

Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Wonju, Korea
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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On words on which we have begun to articulate the "H" such as heart we use "a heart" on words in which we do not articulate the "H" such as historic we use "an historic". If you read a lot of older fiction you will notice that they frequently use "an" in front of "H" words with which we would us "a" because they used to say things like art instead of heart. Just one of the many ways you can figure out how people's accents have changed over the years. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: |
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the use of the articles 'a' and 'an' are determined by the sound of the beginning of the target word. Thus, if the words starts with a vowel sound, you use 'an'. On the other hand, if the word starts with a consonant sound, you use 'a'. There is a common misconception that the letter at the beginning of the word tells you which article to use. This is not the case.
Hope this helps. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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cubanlord wrote: |
the use of the articles 'a' and 'an' are determined by the sound of the beginning of the target word. Thus, if the words starts with a vowel sound, you use 'an'. On the other hand, if the word starts with a consonant sound, you use 'a'. There is a common misconception that the letter at the beginning of the word tells you which article to use. This is not the case.
Hope this helps. |
What about the words university, uniform or unique? |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Richard Krainium wrote: |
cubanlord wrote: |
the use of the articles 'a' and 'an' are determined by the sound of the beginning of the target word. Thus, if the words starts with a vowel sound, you use 'an'. On the other hand, if the word starts with a consonant sound, you use 'a'. There is a common misconception that the letter at the beginning of the word tells you which article to use. This is not the case.
Hope this helps. |
What about the words university, uniform or unique? |
Sounds like they start with a "Y", no? |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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babtangee wrote: |
Richard Krainium wrote: |
cubanlord wrote: |
the use of the articles 'a' and 'an' are determined by the sound of the beginning of the target word. Thus, if the words starts with a vowel sound, you use 'an'. On the other hand, if the word starts with a consonant sound, you use 'a'. There is a common misconception that the letter at the beginning of the word tells you which article to use. This is not the case.
Hope this helps. |
What about the words university, uniform or unique? |
Sounds like they start with a "Y", no? |
ok...but my students never believe that one...  |
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faster

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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In contemporary American usage, historic takes the "a" since the "h" is fully articulated. |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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This actually is the sixth historic vowel sound. In French this is the same. If the 'h' is actually sounded then it is proceded with a 'a' or vice verca with a 'an'. |
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shantaram

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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My co-teacher reckons I don't pronounce 'h' at all. I'm like huh? I don't go around the school going 'allo 'allo all day. She needs her ears cleaned out. |
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Thiuda

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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The words 'university', 'uniform' and 'unique' do not begin with a 'y' sound; such a phoneme does not exist. They start with the phoneme /j/. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Thiuda wrote: |
The words 'university', 'uniform' and 'unique' do not begin with a 'y' sound; such a phoneme does not exist. They start with the phoneme /j/. |
Congratulations, Mr. Technical. However, I did not say they start with a "'y' sound"; I said "it sounds like [those words] start with [the letter] 'Y'." |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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shantaram wrote: |
My co-teacher reckons I don't pronounce 'h' at all. I'm like huh? I don't go around the school going 'allo 'allo all day. She needs her ears cleaned out. |
Ya sure 'bout dat, gov'na? |
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RedRob

Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Location: Narnia
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys  |
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