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Public School Teachers: Do you get paid for summer camps?
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Public School Teachers: Do you get paid for summer camps? Reply with quote

I was just talking to a friend of mine at a middle school in Incheon. The Incheon education office organizes a 1 week camp program that they are required to teach during summer vacation. However, each teacher gets paid extra for the camp at 25,000 per hour. Apparently it ends up at almost a million won extra for that week.

So teachers in Seoul, Kangnam and other city programs: do you get paid extra for your education office organized camps?
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mehamrick



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: Public School Teachers: Do you get paid for summer camp Reply with quote

crazy_arcade wrote:
I was just talking to a friend of mine at a middle school in Incheon. The Incheon education office organizes a 1 week camp program that they are required to teach during summer vacation. However, each teacher gets paid extra for the camp at 25,000 per hour. Apparently it ends up at almost a million won extra for that week.

So teachers in Seoul, Kangnam and other city programs: do you get paid extra for your education office organized camps?


It is my understanding and I could be very wrong. That if the kids pay for the camp then the teacher can get paid... if the camp is free then nothing is paid. I guess it would depend on your contract.. I know EPIK says that you will do a week at each school.. If you happen to have two schools.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul public school teachers get paid if the camp is a sleepaway camp due to the evening and weekend hours put in. Pay ranges from district ot district. Camps at school and in school hours don't pay extra.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Seoul public school teachers get paid if the camp is a sleepaway camp due to the evening and weekend hours put in. Pay ranges from district ot district. Camps at school and in school hours don't pay extra.


Can I ask if that is in your contract or not? I know in Incheon, payment for camps isn't in the contract. Thanks.
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Bibbitybop



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Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's either in SMOE's contract or the additional "handbook" for foreign teachers. Either way, all people doing sleepaway district camps get paid extra money. What is in the contract is getting paid overtime, and since you stay there night and day, that overtime adds up.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
It's either in SMOE's contract or the additional "handbook" for foreign teachers. Either way, all people doing sleepaway district camps get paid extra money. What is in the contract is getting paid overtime, and since you stay there night and day, that overtime adds up.


Aha~~ really good info mate. I really appreciate the replies. I'm just trying to gather some information for my own district.

Anyone from Kangnam-gu's foreign teacher program lurking?
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was offered a position to work at a camp in Gyeonggi and will be paid 2million for 13 days of work. The downside is that I have to sleep there even though the location is only 40 minutes via bus, 25 by car. Luckily every teacher will get their own room though
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YoshaMazov



Joined: 10 May 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be pretty upset if I had to teach during Winter/Summer break and not get paid extra for it.
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JD1982



Joined: 19 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoshaMazov wrote:
I'd be pretty upset if I had to teach during Winter/Summer break and not get paid extra for it.


My contract states that I have to teach camps and doesn't mention anything about additional compensation. I guess I am SOL as far as getting extra compensation for camps.
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JD1982 wrote:
YoshaMazov wrote:
I'd be pretty upset if I had to teach during Winter/Summer break and not get paid extra for it.


My contract states that I have to teach camps and doesn't mention anything about additional compensation. I guess I am SOL as far as getting extra compensation for camps.


Well, that's what I'm getting at. In Incheon the contracts state the same thing...except that they are receiving additional compensation. Could be an important precedent.
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoshaMazov wrote:
I'd be pretty upset if I had to teach during Winter/Summer break and not get paid extra for it.


Technically we don't have a break, and therefore you should feel lucky if you're getting paid on top of your regular salary.
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
YoshaMazov wrote:
I'd be pretty upset if I had to teach during Winter/Summer break and not get paid extra for it.


Technically we don't have a break, and therefore you should feel lucky if you're getting paid on top of your regular salary.


Yup, that's another good point for a lot of public school teachers. However, I think some groups of teachers might be in strong positions to affect change in the way summer/winter vacation and summer/winter camps are dealt with. That's why the case with the Incheon teachers sets an important precendent. Which is also why I'm looking for more info from other localities.

XcustomX: Are you in Bundang? Who's administration do you fall under?
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I should elaborate on my own situation:

Our contracts say two weeks vacation for summer and two weeks for winter. We go away to Daechun for a one week overnight camp. It appears that about half of the teachers here are getting a trade off of another week vacation due to the fact that they have to do an overnighter for a week. The other half are still being told by city hall to that they must do a one week school camp because "it's in the contract." Kind of a pretty shitty situation
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely, and well.

I would rather the precedent not get set in the other direction - no pay for summer and winter camps (or any extra work for that matter).

Education offices need to realize the going rate in Korea for an hour of English teaching is 50,000 won.
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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same city as crazy arcade and have gone over this with the city before. The issue is that our contract is with the city so they can mandate doing camp work, and in our case rather than being paid over time, we get an extra week of vacation essentially granting us three weeks during the summer and winter, two from the contract and one from the city. That is the 'payment' we receive. If we opt to be paid or try to force the issue I would think we'll almost certainly lose that bonus week of vacation.

On that issue, the bonus week is only a bonus week for some people, since some schools tell their teachers they don't have to come in until they have classes.

To that end, I'm not sure there's anything we can do, perse. The option seems to be to lose the extra week or get paid.
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