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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: Public School Camp Contracts |
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I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Public School Camp Contracts |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
That sucks that your only making 3,000w an hour. I'm working 2 week with 5 classes a day, at 20,000w per class. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Public School Camp Contracts |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
You have the ability to refuse the camp. Your contract specifically states that you only work for 8 hours in a day and no weekends or stat holidays.
That means you get to go home at night.
You have 2 choices - Accept the crap terms or stand on your contract and tell them to piss off.
They can't force you to do anything you don't want to do (especially if they would lose at the labor board) and they won't fire you over it because they can't replace you and they would get smacked by the labor board for that too.
LEARN TO SAY NO when they hand you crap.
9-5, monday to friday and a max of 20 contact hours per week during a camp. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Just checked my contract. It says I must do 'conversation classes at summer and winter camps'. And the all inclusive nasty: 'other duties as directed by the .......'.
Jeez, when I came to Korea to teach English I never dreamed I'd be using my university education, work and business experience, and language teaching qualifications to tell bedtime stories to middle schoolers (part of camp duties).
What are these clowns thinking? No wonder experienced teachers don't re-sign. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like hell. They have to pay you hourly for the classes and can't expect you to be available 24 hours/day. There has to be a set schedule within a certain time frame. Shared accomodations isn't acceptable. Not being able to go anywhere is the same as prison.
Tell them to fk off. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Public School Camp Contracts |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
How were you forced into doing this camp? Did someone hold a gun to your head? Just say NO.
Your orginal contract should state your hours (8:30 to 4:30 or 9-5). That's what you signed on for and you should hold them to it. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
Just No wonder experienced teachers don't re-sign. |
I am an experienced teacher and I am re-signing for a third year at my school. Then again I don't let anyone push me around...there's plenty of other jobs available if they want to be jerks. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
Just checked my contract. It says I must do 'conversation classes at summer and winter camps'. And the all inclusive nasty: 'other duties as directed by the .......'. |
Yup... they can make you do all that BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 8:30-4:30, MONDAY TO FRIDAY. with NO WORK on the weekend or STAT HOLIDAYS.
Tell them NO in plain terms or suck it up and take it up the butt or do you just prefer whinging instead?
The choice is yours. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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1.Employee shall work eight (eight) hours per day including lunch hour for five (5) calendar days per week from Monday to Friday and shall not work on Saturdays, Sundays and Korean national holidays.
2. The Work Hours of Employee shall follow the normal work schedule of civil servants of the Korean Government; however, such Work Hours may be adjusted by school principal as he/she deems appropriate as necessary.
I don't know how you'd get around this, though.  |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Is your visa tied to your school or to your Educational District Office? If its tied to your school, its illegal for you to work anywhere but your school. If its sponsored by the Education Office, thats goign to be hard to get out of. |
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JJJ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Did that for winter, same thing except 5 guys in a cabin freezing our buns off. I'll never do it again. I learned my lesson.
Good luck. Hope they have A/C for you. I've heard a few stories where they didn't. |
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duns0014
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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My contract says I don't have to work more than 20 hours/week during summer/winter vacation. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm in trouble here. I arranged vacation flights (paid for weeks ago) on the basis of getting another 5 days vacation for doing the camp. I can't lose those days now without severly inconviencing myself and my family.
Surprise, the camp administrators didn't give us any info about the camp until last friday (2 weeks before camp starts).
So the best I can do is ask for non-shared accommodation. They'll get my written request tomorrow. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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National holidays is double time. Or double time and a half. At least as far as I'm concerned. Screw that. |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
National holidays is double time. Or double time and a half. At least as far as I'm concerned. Screw that. |
No no no!
Saturday is double time. Sundays or public holidays are Think of a number, double it times by 3..... |
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