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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: GEPIK Ups The Ante----be careful gentlemen |
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There's been a few posts about GEPIK asking people to work outside their contracted hours. Today I re-signed a new contract with my school. They've been pretty good to me so I'm not too worried over this new clause (it wasn't there last time I checked their website). Anyway here it is.
Article 7 #3
"Employee may be asked to teach extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours."
Just a heads up.  |
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genezorm
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Mokpo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: GEPIK Ups The Ante----be careful gentlemen |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
"Employee may be asked to teach extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours." |
that's cool if i MAY be ASKED to teach extra hours
i MAY say thanks for asking, but go screw yourself |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe it is for extra pay though. It's in the 2007 contract. |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| mrsquirrel wrote: |
| I believe it is for extra pay though. It's in the 2007 contract. |
For 20k-30k/hour, still no thank you. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Anyone else notice that many public schools even in rural areas are starting English after school programs? This is really quite disturbing to say the least. The reason it's bad is because it seems like a trend where more will be expected of each native teacher. Now I've got nothing against hard work but these programs are usually pressured onto us because there aren't enough hours to justify hiring a new teacher to fly over. It'll be hard on the students as well if they don't have the energy or time to devout to such programs 
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| GEPIK's contract is the worst. There should be a concerted effort to get people NOT to do GEPIK. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Actually we went through this before on another thread. SMOE is the worst as they make you do overnight camps and work weekends. GEPIK limits the amount of overtime to no more then SIX hours per week. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I saw that clause too...I think GEPIK's been getting complaints from teachers who didn't want to work outside 9-5. Because I saw their website with the contract on it a couple of weeks ago..and that clause was not in there...oh well like everything else in Korea there's ways and means around it.  |
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kimchi story
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Just adding to the discourse here, not intentionally flaming.
I don't see how the ante's being upped. Was there ever a clause that said extra classes would be limited to regular teaching hours? Not in my 2006 contract. It's extra work for extra pay. It doesn't pay as well as privates, but you don't have to commute and you're not taking any risks. Having done the hagwon/privates thing in the past I appreciate these luxuries.
The new 7.3 appears to be more transparent than the old one which simply stated "Employees may be asked to teach some extra classes" as well as "Extra classes shall not exeed 6 hours a week without Employee's consent". If the latter clause has been written out, well, that's not good. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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"and/or out of working hours" could be enough to justify work on the weekends.
I can see it now:
School: You have to do this weekend camp.
NT: No, I don't work weekends. Its in the contract.
School: (points to Article 7 #3) "Employee may be asked to teach extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours."
The contract doesn't specifically say "During the week" or "on weekdays."
Its funny how throughout the contract, it uses the words "may be asked" like you have the option to say no. |
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Sody wrote: |
Anyone else notice that many public schools even in rural areas are starting English after school programs? This is really quite disturbing to say the least. The reason it's bad is because it seems like a trend where more will be expected of each native teacher. Now I've got nothing against hard work but these programs are usually pressured onto us because there aren't enough hours to justify hiring a new teacher to fly over. It'll be hard on the students as well if they don't have the energy or time to devout to such programs
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I've almost completed a year working for two rural schools. My contract is not the same as Epik/Gepik. The max classes are 25. I did half of my required classes in the afternoon, so yeah 'afterschool' class but everything was up to me. It was of course more work but I have enjoyed my year. I want to re-sign but a certain outside business is running the summer camps (originally told we must overnighters) and they will be drafting the new contract. Can anyone imagine how the contract will change???? Forced overnight camps, forced overtime etc etc. I'm expecting the worst but hoping for something reasonable. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
"and/or out of working hours" could be enough to justify work on the weekends.
I can see it now:
School: You have to do this weekend camp.
NT: No, I don't work weekends. Its in the contract.
School: (points to Article 7 #3) "Employee may be asked to teach extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours."
The contract doesn't specifically say "During the week" or "on weekdays."
Its funny how throughout the contract, it uses the words "may be asked" like you have the option to say no. |
You do have the option to say no.
If they insist, you simply hand them your notice.
There are lots of jobs.
99.9% of the time they will back down rather than have to explain to the principal that the foreigner quit rather than put up with their *beep*.
The other 0.1% of the time you will need to look for one of the other 7000 available openings for that month. If your co-teacher is that dense then it would be to your advantage to walk anyway.
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| kimchi story wrote: |
Just adding to the discourse here, not intentionally flaming.
I don't see how the ante's being upped. Was there ever a clause that said extra classes would be limited to regular teaching hours? Not in my 2006 contract. It's extra work for extra pay. It doesn't pay as well as privates, but you don't have to commute and you're not taking any risks. Having done the hagwon/privates thing in the past I appreciate these luxuries.
There was a clause that stated your working hours were eight hours a day. If you come in at 9:00 then your hours finish at 5:00. Since the usual teaching load is 22 classes extra classes can easily be fitted into that time range. There is no clause about extra CLASSES it is true....but it does limit the HOURS worked. Now they are saying well if we want we can increase your working hours by another six HOURS per week
The new 7.3 appears to be more transparent than the old one which simply stated "Employees may be asked to teach some extra classes" as well as "Extra classes shall not exeed 6 hours a week without Employee's consent". If the latter clause has been written out, well, that's not good. |
The latter clause is still in there which is good..but I wonder how long it will be. GEPIK keeps removing/revising clauses. In the ORIGINAL 2007 contract they had 2 contribution hours for each hour worked. Then they cut back to 1 for 1. I know because I have a copy of the original. They also made several changes throughout the year seemingly in response to schools complaining about their teacher. I'd see a post on here about a teacher complaining, people would give him advice and then later the contract would be revised to remove that part (or reword) that the advice was based on. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
"and/or out of working hours" could be enough to justify work on the weekends.
I can see it now:
School: You have to do this weekend camp.
NT: No, I don't work weekends. Its in the contract.
School: (points to Article 7 #3) "Employee may be asked to teach extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours."
The contract doesn't specifically say "During the week" or "on weekdays."
Its funny how throughout the contract, it uses the words "may be asked" like you have the option to say no. |
You do have the option to say no.
If they insist, you simply hand them your notice.
There are lots of jobs.
99.9% of the time they will back down rather than have to explain to the principal that the foreigner quit rather than put up with their *beep*.
The other 0.1% of the time you will need to look for one of the other 7000 available openings for that month. If your co-teacher is that dense then it would be to your advantage to walk anyway.
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True there are lots of jobs...but if you get fired for NOT following the contract (they DO have the ability to ask you to work an additional six hours) you may not be able to get back into the public school program or any of the others.
Plus you may not be able to get a new job until your original visa term limits have expired...or has that been changed? |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
"and/or out of working hours" could be enough to justify work on the weekends.
I can see it now:
School: You have to do this weekend camp.
NT: No, I don't work weekends. Its in the contract.
School: (points to Article 7 #3) "Employee may be asked to teach extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours."
The contract doesn't specifically say "During the week" or "on weekdays."
Its funny how throughout the contract, it uses the words "may be asked" like you have the option to say no. |
Just point back to the same article.
NT: "It says no more than six hours a week, without my consent...and I darn well don't consent, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. So not more than three hours Saturday and three hours Sunday. " |
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