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jadarite
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Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: Korean Language Question |
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I think there should be a Korean language section, and if I missed it please let me know where it is.
I am trying to study Korean now, and I noticed a few characters have double sounds.
여기
The "ㄱ" above is pronounced with a "g", not a "k".
So, how do you know which ones to use in this case? |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| It's all contextual. In the case of ㄱ, if it's at the beginning of a word it's slightly more "k"ish (but still not fully aspirated); if it's later in a word, it's more like a hard "g." |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Korean Language Question |
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| jadarite wrote: |
| I think there should be a Korean language section |
I agree. A lot of questions about Korean come up and it would be nice if they had their own forum to accumulate in. I could see it being beneficial to a lot of people. |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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I also think there should be a Korean language forum. Thought about it a while back, actually - would be fun, and very helpful I think.
We could actually, heaven forbid, help one another out and stuff. Oh, the horror! |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts. |
Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right? |
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chaz47
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget the way ㄱ can change into an ㅇ sound. As in 한국말, which is actually pronounced as " han goong mal ".
Or the way ㄹ and ㄴ are sometimes interchanged.
Korean is much more regular than English in pronunciation but it is still a bit tweaked in places.
Faster, I had no idea you were so savvy. Where do you study? |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
Don't forget the way ㄱ can change into an ㅇ sound. As in 한국말, which is actually pronounced as " han goong mal ".
Or the way ㄹ and ㄴ are sometimes interchanged.
Korean is much more regular than English in pronunciation but it is still a bit tweaked in places.
Faster, I had no idea you were so savvy. Where do you study? |
I don't, but I've been here a while  |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| faster wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ? is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word ???,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts. |
Well, in that example, the first instance of ? is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right? |
Correct. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
Don't forget the way ㄱ can change into an ㅇ sound. As in 한국말, which is actually pronounced as " han goong mal ".
Or the way ㄹ and ㄴ are sometimes interchanged.
Korean is much more regular than English in pronunciation but it is still a bit tweaked in places.
Faster, I had no idea you were so savvy. Where do you study? |
Important, good point.
Asking a server for 국물 or asking where a 국민 bank is will not be understood. 궁물 and 궁민 however and you're in business. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| faster wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts. |
Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right? |
So ㄱ is a "k" sound, but when it looks more like a "7" or in Japanese "フ" it has a "g" sound?
Also, how do you determine if something is swallowed/glottal and not properly voiced? |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| jadarite wrote: |
| faster wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts. |
Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right? |
So ㄱ is a "k" sound, but when it looks more like a "7" or in Japanese "フ" it has a "g" sound? |
No
| jadarite wrote: |
| Also, how do you determine if something is swallowed/glottal and not properly voiced? |
at the end of a syllable, with another syllable following that begins with a hard consonant, it's swallowed (or sometimes turned into a "ㅇ"). I'm sorta making this up from experience, I don't really speak Korean. |
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normalcyispasse
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jadarite wrote: |
| faster wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts. |
Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right? |
So ㄱ is a "k" sound, but when it looks more like a "7" or in Japanese "フ" it has a "g" sound?
Also, how do you determine if something is swallowed/glottal and not properly voiced? |
ㄱ is mostly "g," except at the ends of words. (E.g. 한국 is pronounced "hangook".) There are also exceptions, as noted with 국물.
フ in Japanese is pronounced "hu" (and with the "quote marks" can become "bu"). The "gu" comes from グ (katakana) orぐ (hiragana), as a modification to the the "ku" く/ク. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Korean Language Question |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| jadarite wrote: |
| I think there should be a Korean language section |
I agree. A lot of questions about Korean come up and it would be nice if they had their own forum to accumulate in. I could see it being beneficial to a lot of people. |
Try Galbijim. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Korean Language Question |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| jadarite wrote: |
| I think there should be a Korean language section |
I agree. A lot of questions about Korean come up and it would be nice if they had their own forum to accumulate in. I could see it being beneficial to a lot of people. |
Try Galbijim. |
I post there under the name project.J. Unfortunately it doesn't have as much traffic as this site does. |
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