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kerstin



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: preposition Reply with quote

I have a problem of using what preposition to modify a noun.


the eleventh hour=an important moment


in , at ,or on the eleventh hour?


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CP



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If something occurs at the eleventh hour, it happens with very little time left, almost at the last moment. It doesn't necessarily mean an important moment, just a late moment.
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kerstin



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the 11th hour, not 12th? Is it because there are 12 hours in half of a day?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: the 11th hour Reply with quote

i think the 11th hour is used in referring to the end of the day. it doesn't make much sense, i know, but that's the only way i've heard it used. again, this is not an every day phrase. i'm sorry i don't have a better explanation. iitimone7
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ad-miral



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a movie about 11th hour. It's about
Global warming, deforestation, mass species extinction, and depletion of the oceans' habitats.

http://wip.warnerbros.com/11thhour/

So iitimone's guess is proved. See the 11th hour would mean everything after 22:59 and before 0:00. The 0:00 is a comparison for the World End caused by Global warming, deforestation etc.
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ad-miral



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I have a question: Do we say "an 11th hour" or "a 11th hour?" Because if we write it in letters it would be: "eleventh" and then we should use "an eleventh hour", but what if we write it in arabic number?
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bud



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admiral, does the pronunciation of the word start with a vowel? If yes, then "an" is required. It doesn't matter how the word is spelled.

an honor
an 11th
a useful tool
an usher

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeahr! Thanks very much
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're very welcome!
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CP



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerstin wrote:
Why the 11th hour, not 12th? Is it because there are 12 hours in half of a day?

Thanks

On the face (dial) of an ordinary clock, there are 12 numbers. Once the clock shows 11:00 p.m., there is not much time left in the day. Once it shows 12:00, there is no time left. I think that's why people say "11th hour," meaning the last hour of the day, starting at 11:00. By extension, it means with very little time left.

Of course, logically it is the 24th hour, the last one of the day, that begins at 11:00 p.m. and ends at midnight. But since when are idioms logical?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would want to explain it in another way:
See, there is no 24:00 o'clock, because the minute after 23:59 is the 0:00 of the next day. So the 12th hour (pm) is the end of the day. (lyrically speaking, it's the end)
But "the 11th hour" is the last hour, it means there is still a little bit time before the end.
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