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puzzle



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: still tense Reply with quote

Dear teacher,
I'm puzzled at the following exercise ,can you help me?
The young man, when questioned why he ___ the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing.
A. had broken B. broke C. breaks D. was breaking
I think the answer should be B, but the answer given is A, is it right?
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Anuradha Chepur



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually all four choices can be correct, by imagining a partially varying context for each.
I will call it a badly framed question and move on.
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2006



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's just a bad question, but maybe it is designed to make you choose the best of the offered answers. If so, I would also choose B as the best answer, because it is the most likely answer and also uses simple past tense instead of perfect tense. We have no reason to choose past perfect tense over simple past tense.
Use the simplest language that clearly expresses your meaning.
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Anuradha Chepur



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was still researching this question, thinking about the tense-change angle in reported speech., and that is what the designer of this question seems to have had in mind.

Why did you break the law? (direct speech)
will change to
why he had broken the law (indirect speech)

It is in this sense, then, that A is the answer, because the sentence is in indirect speech.
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2006



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree. Indirect speech is not the issue, and that's a very bad page for 'learning' English.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I happen to prefer "The young man, when questioned why he had broken the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing." to the alternative, "The young man, when questioned why he broke the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing."

I understand that in current usage, the past perfect is disappearing. However, I still use it to show that something happened in the past before something else happened in the past. I don't think it has completely disappeared from the language yet, although maybe when we old fogeys are gone it will.


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Philo Kevetch



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alas and alack.
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CP



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Lorikeet. I hope the past perfect will outlive me, though, because it is a very useful tense.

A. The young man, when questioned why he had broken the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing. The questioning in the past was about something even further in the past, a crime that the young man had committed earler. This is the best choice.

B. The young man, when questioned why he broke the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing. If the policeman was asking about his career as a criminal, about why he broke the law all the time, then this sentence would probably be all right.

C. The young man, when questioned why he breaks the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing. Not a good sentence, because of the present tense. If it were from a newspaper article about a very recent event, and the policeman was asking about his criminal career, then maybe it would be all right.

D. The young man, when questioned why he was breaking the law, just looked at the policeman and said nothing. If the policeman was asking him while the young man was in the midst of committing a crime, then this sentence would be fine. "Why are you breaking into that house, my good fellow?"
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2006



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to belabor the point, but I am not convinced. Obviously the breaking of the law occurred before the questioning; using perfect tense in this situation adds nothing to the understanding of the meaning, in my opinion.
I think C is a good sentence and can be used when asking about a pattern of criminal behavior.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2006 wrote:
I don't want to belabor the point, but I am not convinced. Obviously the breaking of the law occurred before the questioning; using perfect tense in this situation adds nothing to the understanding of the meaning, in my opinion.

Where we disagree, then, is precisely there, 2006. The criminal behavior could have occurred before or during the interrogation. The past perfect [I think you meant past perfect where you said perfect tense] leaves no doubt that the crime preceded the interrogation, while the simple past leaves doubt.

However, we can disagree and still be friends.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, we can.
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