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Teo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: What does it/that refer to? Reply with quote

1. My father doesn't ____. It is not good for his health. (A) exercise (B) smoke
2. My father doesn't ____. That is not good for his health. (A) exercise (B) smoke

Can anyone tell me the correct answers to the above questions?
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Philo Kevetch



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

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Teo



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In #1, either would be possible, since 'it' can refer back equally naturally to a single noun referent (i.e. smoking) as to an entire nominalized predication (i.e. the fact that he does not exercise).

In #2, however, sense dictates that only (A) would be appropriate, since 'that' would normally refer back to the predication rather than to the single noun.

http://www.englishclub.com/esl-forums/viewtopic.php?p=334243#334243
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link.
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Teo



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Philo,
I am poor in English, so I posted my questions on different boards. I hope that you will not feel offended.
http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatDoesItReferTo/zdqdx/Post.htm
I really appreciate your help.
Sincerely,
Teo Cheng Heong
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teo -Not at all. Thanks for the kind words. Philo
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Teo and Philo,

With all due respect, I do not agree with the outside poster's view on the first sentence. I believe only "smoke" would work.

Sometimes, in English, we can only get a "sense" of what the person is trying to say or convey. Subtle nuances would indicate what the person is actually trying to communicate. A single sentence can be construed in different ways. With no other context, I believe the following to be the correct interpretation of the two examples.

My father doesn't smoke. It (smoking) is not good for his health.
My father doesn't exercise. That (not exercising) is not good for his health.

I think the exercise is trying to show that in this case, "it" refers to a specific thing (ie, smoking); whereas, "that" refers to a general condition or state of affairs (ie, not exercising). That's why the inverted sentences sound confusing and do not make sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Lotus -

Your response was, as always, very clear and helpful.

Learning something new about the English language every day is my
favo(u)rite hobby.

Thanks - Philo
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