Site Search:
 
Dave's ESL Cafe's Student Discussion Forums Forum Index Dave's ESL Cafe's Student Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

"many a"

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Dave's ESL Cafe's Student Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Help Center
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Linh



Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: "many a" Reply with quote

Dear teachers,

My first question is concerned with the following sentences:

"It's been the ruin of many a poor boy"

"I discussed how CLT appears to have failed to take roots in many an EFL context."

I have read several sentences like these, and I'm just wondering how come they use "many a" or "many an". I mean, that is not the English grammar I learned at school. Could you help me clarify this?

Another question: can I say "okay. Done!" to an older person/ one of higher status esp. that person is from the US. Well, I ask because it is not accepted in my culture.

Thank you in advance for your reply.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dragn



Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 450

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"It's been the ruin of many a poor boy"

"I discussed how CLT appears to have failed to take roots in many an EFL context."

I have read several sentences like these, and I'm just wondering how come they use "many a" or "many an."


The construction "many a/an + noun" is an alternative for the usual construction "many + nouns." Incidentally, follow it with a singular verb, not a plural verb.

"Many a poor boy has heard the song House of the Rising Sun. Wink

Quote:
I mean, that is not the English grammar I learned at school. Could you help me clarify this?


Sorry you missed that one. Crying or Very sad

Quote:
Another question: can I say "okay. Done!" to an older person/ one of higher status esp. that person is from the US. Well, I ask because it is not accepted in my culture.


Well, I don't know what culture you come from, but it sounds OK to me. In fact, it can show great respect. It can demonstrate that you are so eagerly committed to doing what they have asked that they may as well go ahead and think of it as already being done.

This may sound like an odd example, but it's one that leaps to mind. In the movie Gotti, which chronicles the rise of mafia boss John Gotti in the 1970s and 1980s, there is a scene where he is asked to do a favor for Carlo "Don Carlo" Gambino, the head of the Gambino crime family of which John is a relatively low-ranking member. Don Carlo asks John to murder the man who murdered his nephew. By being allowed to do such a favor for the boss, John knows he is being given a tremendous honor; it's basically his chance to move up within the Gambino family. In the scene in the movie, John Gotti is very attentive and respectful as the aging Don Carlo makes his wishes known. Gotti doesn't waver; he asks no questions; he doesn't need time to think about it. He simply replies: "It's done." Cool

Greg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Linh



Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh thanks. The example you show me is really interesting. Very Happy

But I'm still not clear about the "many a/an" construction. What's the purpose of using this? What does the writer want to emphasize?

btw, "House of the rising sun" is one of my favorites, and I'm from Vietnam. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dragn



Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 450

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no real purpose in using it: it's just an old variation from the early days of English that has stuck around. It just means a large, indefinite number. It doesn't have any special meaning. If anything, I suppose it might influence the listener to consider the nouns being referred to (for example, poor boys) as individuals rather than as a faceless mass.

One thing to remember: variations in grammar and syntax are common in songs and poetry because the author may need a certain number of syllables in a line or for some other consideration. The needs of the poem or song come first, and rules and standards of grammar are sometimes bent to accommodate it.

Greg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Linh



Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Greg for your speedy response. I appreciate that Razz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Dave's ESL Cafe's Student Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Help Center All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Dave's ESL Cafe is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Banner Advertising | Bookstore / Alta Books | FAQs | Articles | Interview with Dave
Copyright © 2018 Dave's ESL Cafe | All Rights Reserved | Contact Dave's ESL Cafe | Site Map

Teachers College, Columbia University: Train to Teach English Here or Abroad
SIT
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group