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[mehrezsassi]

The photos which appeared on television and newspapers showing Us troops abusing some Iraqis detained in that notorious prison of Bhagdad is another indication of the downfall of the so called American freedom and democracy brought to Iraqi children on board of tanks and jet bombors. Those photos teach another lesson of hate to the Arab world and a new push towards extremism. Until recently , and after losing hope of such administration , I was advocating , from a personal perspective at least , that we should believe in the American society, the American human being and that such situation won't last long , and that American mothers won't go reticent about seeeing cadavers lie in streets and their sons cut in pieces - that day when when we watched the disgusting photos of American soldiers , we felt pity for their families and we were aware as Moslims of what a life of a youth means , simply because we daily lose our beloved in Gaza , West Bank cities and Fallouja
Unfortunately for me , I haven't seen any efficient popular move to stop such a bloody whirl . As the body count rises , it seems that warlords are showing no sign for wisdom . Instead , they are making big fortunes out of oil contracts , while American soldiers , mostly students joininig the army for scholarships , are coming back in coffins .
Tonight and after rewinding the tape of events , I wonder what significance for both photos and something in common seems to me as a truth : both people in both photos are victims .

" There are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass grave in Iraq . " George Bush
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[asterix]

It's always sad when civilised men lower themselves to the same level of barbarity as the people they are fighting against.

[mehrezsassi]

Sorry to read that those Iraqi detainees tortured and degraded by American and British soldiers are barbarian. They are people saying "No" to occupation and unfortunately for us when we say no to our "masters" nowadays we turned out to be "terrorists" .

-Palistinians fighting for their land are "terrorists" meanwhile Israeli troops are killing Palistinian children in Gaza .
-Iraqis who are fighting occupation are labelled "terrorists" Meanwhile Americans are bombing children and women in Fallouja .
-every one who will say "no" in the future will be a Terrorist"

[asterix]

If your Arab brothers had not tried and failed miserably to exterminate the state of Israel at its inception, the Palestinians would be prosperous and at peace today. However hate-filled old men like Yasser Arafat (may he rot in a pig sty) have led them down their present pathetic path using an intolerant religion as a basis for the murder of women and children.
Meanwhile the Palestinian "leadership" is stuffing its Swiss bank accounts while the people are mired in hatred and poverty.

[Passerby]

from the point of view of an Iraqi, I say I would feel like striking back at any cost. Americans are barbarians and they are no valued as civilized.

I pity for those in suffering. I wish they die in peace. Or, executed as a soldier.

Focused on this issue, I realized when someday I'd stuck to thsi thought with me that those men practicing malicious torture, and conducting such a outrageous deed have been probably the people I often heard from TV or radio regarding Mid-east, I know, it's no longer the image from my long-stalled stereotype, but a fresh impression of how I was mind-bleached by the fact from the bloody brutal footages and TV flicks.

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[mehrezsassi]

So how does your " tolerant religion" allow such barbarity we have seen from that notorious prison in Baghdad ? I really wonder if those Israeli soldiers launching missiles , designed to target buildings , on children and women have any religion at all .

As for " may he rot in a pig sty " this is should go with no comment , because it is below the level of discussion and exchanging opinions.
"It made me laugh by the way"

[hani]

hi

To say no from weaker nation is not
allowed.To say no on face stronger
on is not in their dictionary.Arab
should say :here are our children
you can kill them,those are our land
you can occupied,our OIL you can
ship,our olive you can drink take it
our mosques you can make them
churches,you can take everything
and we should not say NO.you are
strong and we are weak.
THIS IS YOUR CRITERIA.
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[mehrezsassi]

ONCE AGAIN "WHAT A SHAME !!!! "

Yesterday I was watching President Bush on TV saying that both Israel and the USA are two nations who share factors in common : both nations are oasis of democracy , both built by immigrants who strove hard at their arrivals and that both nations share the same ambitions .

Today and while watching the news from Rafah in Gaza - for no person in the Arab world can turn a blind eye to our cheap blood in news channels those days- I realized that US President is absolutely right for both the Israeli and US army are killing Arab children and women in Palistine and Iraq. Both immigrants in both country took every acre of land from their legal owner and kicked him out if not killed him . Both policies in both countries are avenging 11/9 attacks done by a terrorist who is enjoying a 007 life somewhere in some mountains and who does not represent neither our tolerant religion nor our national committements . Children , women , prisoners , protesters are killed and houses are being destroyed over old people's heads , this is what is in common between two policies ,but can we say that this is also a common factor between us ,people : Americans , Arabs , Palistinians and Israeli ?

[lioness]

It's nothing streange or unusual for American history. Behind a mask of democracy there were always hidden big corporations. Today the American soldiers are fighting for the oil industry, that's all. They fight with women and children, with badly armed people, who do not want domination of America. It's very easy to defeat them. That's why America is fighting. If an enemy was strong- like North Korea-, there wouldn't be any war.

[Diana]

I agree that these soldiers who committed such acts is a shameful thing, and I'm glad to see that there are people condemning such shameful actions. It's such actions as these from the few that gives a negative reputation to America and the majority of the American soldiers who also find these actions shameful. As anyone can see from the media, even the Americans have expressed their outrage, and that justice is being served as these people are taken out and court martialed. Those whom you call "barbarians" have taken the people who humiliated the Iraqi prisoners have punished them.

As for Saddam Hussein who committed worse atrocities, do you call him "civilized?" I heard no public outcry or reports from the media. Where was the public outcry when Saddam murdered women and children in mass graves? Where was the justice? At least, these Americans who humiliated the Iraqi prisoners are being punished for what they did. At least the American people are expressing their own outcry and condemnation. But where was the outcry and condemnation when "civilized" Saddam did wose things? Or is the world simply more concern about what America is doing? Yes, what a shame!

[lioness]

Yes, I agree, but we shouldn't forget that America armed Saddam when he was useful as an enemy of Iran. I'm really sorry, perhaps America didn't create this monster, yet gave him claws and teeth nevertheless.
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[RebeccaGMW]

Thank you for your comments, Diana.

Not every American troop or soldier was involved in the brutality at that prison. Also, as Diana said, the majority of Americans were just as horrified and angry as the rest of the world.

I'm sorry that some people feel that the troops have occupied Iraq. I think that people are forgetting the horrible things Saddam has done. What about how he and his sons tortured and raped?! This does not justify what the troops did. I just believe that the media is focusing on only the bad things that are happening with the U.S. troops.

I support our imperfect troops and our imperfect President. I do not think America is "good" or "pure". I know we make mistakes. Looking at our history will show you that. However, both my husband and my brother are US Marines and I am very proud of them (as well as all of our troops). I do not think that it is fair to place all of our troops in the same category as those involved in the abuse.
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[Dordi]

The behaviour of the media seems to be very disappointing. When I watch the news I never find a happy event there, only the bad things are shown, like there wouldn't be any good news at all!
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[Diana]

[lioness]

If Saddam had nuclear weapons America wouldn't attack him ( North Korea is also that Evil One and there's no volunteer to fight for starving people...). Saddam had a nuclear power station, not nuclear weapons. Well, if you put an equal sign between America, Russia and Saudi Arabia, it's your choice.

You wrote that for America the most important is its national interest. So explain me, why it is said, that American soldiers came to Iraq to bring freedom and democracy? What kind of national interest they fight for?

There were 60 hostages- is it in your opinion the reason why a democratic country should give a dictator chemical weapons, the cause of hundreds deaths? Oh, sorry, I forgot about your national interes which is the most important.

There are many monsters in this world. For example one guy who rules North Korea. I'm waiting when someone singing the song of demokracy will try to do something with him. I believe that I can wait till Judgement Day, because there's no oil there.

Bye! It was nice to argue with you- it was a very interesting experience
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