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asterix · Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654

On a point of order: You cannot criticise anything without judging it.
One nation's "truth" is another nation's lies.
"History is bunk." Henry Ford

Grumbeliot · Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 2

Hitler was a killer. He had too many reasons against the Jews, but they don't justify such a mass killing.

coffeedecafe · Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 140 Location: michigan,usa

it is hard to properly define truth, but truth itself is more obtainable than any useful moral code or even humanity in man without it.
and yes, judgement is a neccessary part of criticism. henry ford made good cars, for instance, yet if i were to check the writings of different authors regarding his life, i would find areas of disagreement between them.
the dictionary would probably define truth as that which is, or seems, true.
to say truth does not exist, or is unknowable is to remove from you the abiblity to tell apples from lemons. we have senses, and we use them. we gather witnesses and weigh the value of each testimony.
history is not bunk, it is only under=reported. the full scope of truth is unknowable because its scope is so vast. whatever we learn that is accurate witness of the creator and his universe is truth. the rockets to the moon were guided my mathematic truth.
and though our intellects cannot absorb all truth, we can recognize truth in kind. truth presents itself differently than evil. hitler was evil.
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Anxious Heart · Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 91

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That's what I wanted to know. You define truth in the empirical way with a touch of God.
So this statement was useful to understand your thoughts above. It is senseless to discuss about something, if we mean to different things Wink

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coffeedecafe · Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 140 Location: michigan,usa

yup, i am imperical. i just keep trying to stack up facts like bricks to make fireplaces and benches and garden edgings, but i have long since admitted that the world of soil and the world of ideas both extend beyond my grasp. Crying or Very sad

that is not such a bad thing. my responsibility now is my ability, and no farther. then the 'touch of god' is the hands where i place everything that must be handled by a greater.
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Anxious Heart · Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 91

coffeedecafe · Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 140 Location: michigan,usa

i can't blame the typewriter for that one, it was a plain old mispelll.
glad you liked it anyway. the direction Rolling Eyes

the direction my thoughts were heading maybe i should have gone with 'empyrean' instead. thats just above emu in my dictionary.
sure, if you want to start a topic- you go first!
i'll try to keep up with you if i can.we are a way off hitler aren't we?
i don't think he can be dicussed easily without turning to words like good and evil.
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Birthe · Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 5 Location: germany

I think Hitler was the most terrible, crazy, brutal ashole .. I can't understand the people, who believe in his lies till today!! I'm from Germany and I'm very often at demonstrations against Nazis and faschism .. many people do so too , but often there are people, who can't understand us und they only think we would create chaos . I think the people must have more information, what they can do agains this Neo-Nazis. join & support your local antifa

coffeedecafe · Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 140 Location: michigan,usa

unfortunately he is not the only one who has used persuasion to hurt multitudes for the sake of their own ego. i do not even give him the credit for being unique. he was just one more failure in a long line of want-to-be geniuses.
trying to rule from hate toward success is not reasonable or intelligent
he tried to find a group to blame when he was shown to be an inadequate leader.
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Nausicaa · Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 14 Location: Italy

well,I'm Italian and I know lots of things about it.Italy and germany were together,weren't they?in my opinion Mussolini and Hitler were quite similar,they were both dictators,extreme right party,and they were allied.i think that the genocide has been the worst thing in the whole history...what a fool thing!!NOBODY has the right to kill peaple..and after all,I don't think that the Germans are much better than the Jews!!what do they have of so important and better to have the right to kill the Jews???the Jews were honest and right peaple,their only one defect was that they were too rich and so,the Germans,sure to deserve the Jew's beans,killed them in a horrible and disgusting way..i think that neither an animal would deserve to be killed like this!that's really obscene!
and Hitler was totally mad..and Mussolini,too.he became friend of Hitler,sure to be allied with the most important,and when the Americans arrived,he changed his preference and stabbed in the back Hitler...and so the germans killed lots of italian innocent peaple....and that't shameful..all the war has been shameful...
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