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somuch
Joined: 13 May 2004
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| Diana wrote: |
The US never think about withdraw troops from Korea? Actually, they have thought about it, Somuch. They've considered that as an OPTION, and there are many Americans who want US troops out of South Korea. I actually feel the same way. I also want the Americans entirely out of South Korea, and I want them to take their nuclear weapons with them. I don't think they should leave it to South Korea. I don't see why the Americans should die for South Korea when both North and South want REUNIFICATION. After all, that's what North Korea really wants. They want the US to completely withdraw and take their nuclear weapons with him.
Oh by the way, Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdel Qadeer Khan admitted to helping North Korea set up a program to make enriched uranium used as fissile materials in atomic bombs. Nevertheless, I still think that American troops should withdraw from South Korea.
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Ah,apparently,Diana you are support to withdraw from South Korea.Are there the most Americans have the same opinions as yours?If there are,why didn't your 'democratic' government do according to your minds.It is apparent that your democracy is just fake now.
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The only ones I see in the UPRISING are those FEW who support Saddam, Al-Queda, and the foreign fighters from other countries. .......The world is a better place without Saddam the dictator, so why are you crying over him? The LESS dictators in this world, the BETTER this world would be! Right now, the only ones who wants to take away the freedom of the Americans is Al-Queda and Osama Bin Laden. And these are the people whom the Americans are fighting against. Yes, the terrorists! The same terrorists whom you criticize America for fighting against in Afghanistan and who continues their search for Bin Laden.
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About the uprising,actually most insurgences are from Shiite and Sunni,few are from al-Qeada.The Mehdi force which belongs to Shiite clerics is fighting the US troops directly,and it is the al-Qaeda causes the bomb attacks in which both killed the US soldiers and Iraqi civilians.You can find more truths in the other countries' media,research it yourself.
And you also said 'whenever a war occurs, it's usually a DICTATOR COUNTRY that invades a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, and when a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY invades another country, that other country is ALWAYS A DICTATOR COUNTRY because the DICTATOR COUNTRY is always the one to be found at FAULT.' I wonder if it can explain the invasion in Iraq,Afghanistan,Panama,Vietnam,Somali,etc ?
BTW,I'm agree with mehrezsassi that America disappointed us so much.  |
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pugachevV
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: |
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It is obvious that apologists for the Muslims have mastered the big lie technique, and like most propagandists, so much is ignoring any facts that do not fit in with his/her agenda.
The Americans were considering withdrawing their troops from North Korea and the South Koreans just about had a national heart attack at the thought of having to deal with the big bad North without their nanny. So that is why the US army is still in Korea.
How can you possibly know who is leading the attacks in Iraq? I suppose you only believe what the Arab press is telling you? Whoever they are they are the enemies of peace and are trying to grab the country for themselves.. If there were peace in Iraq the Americans would have gone.
I would also like to know where these "freedom fighters" were when Saddam was torturing and murdering thousands of his own people? I guess because he was an Iraqi, it was OK? Or were they too afraid of him?
Only in dictatorships are the people and the government separate.
The US government is not separate from the US people. They are one and the same. In a democracy the majority rules. That is its strength and also its weakness. If the people do not go out to vote at the elections, then they cannot complain if their guy does not win.
You may not have actually used the word "hate" but a knife in the back is fairly traditional in the Middle East. |
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Diana
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Guam, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Ah,apparently,Diana you are support to withdraw from South Korea.Are there the most Americans have the same opinions as yours?If there are,why didn't your 'democratic' government do according to your minds.It is apparent that your democracy is just fake now.
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SHEEZ!! I provided a weblink showing that America have considered withdrawing from South Korea, especially after you stated that they NEVER considered such thing. And what do you write back???? You accuse the US of having a fake democracy? Today, there are giving more consideration because they want to withdraw troops from South Korea and deploy them to Iraq.
Somuch, have you even asked yourself why the US hasn't withdrawn despite that they have given it some consideration? I guess you didn't do your research. I know this is going to be hard for you to swallow, but according to the polls on Feb. 22, 2004, a MAJORITY of South Koreans want the US to stay. According to the polls, 61.4% of South Koreans wanted the US troops to stay. See the weblink below:
http://marmot.blogs.com/korea/2004/02/us_biggest_barr.html
As for the invasion of Iraq, where have you been? I already explained the reasons America invaded Iraq.
Why the US invaded Afghanistan? The Answer: Because Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda attacked the US FIRST.
Why the US invaded Panama? The Answer: Because Noreiga declared a state of war with the US and then Panamian soldiers killed a US Marine.
Why the US invaded Vietnam? The Answer: Actually, they didn't invade Vietnam. They went into South Vietnam to keep it from being communist. After World War II, the US took a hard stand against communism. And of couse you are aware of how evil communism is, don't you? Well, if you are not, then let me tell you a bloody truth. Communism has killed 100 million people, which is more people than what Hitler or Saddam killed put together. And as you are aware, Kim Jung II is only adding more deaths under communism. Unfortunately, the US has failed in accomplishing this, and as you know North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and made it into ONE Vietnam under communist rule.
Why did the US invade Somalia? You must be kidding? The US was in Somalia giving food and humanitarian aid when terrorists attacked them. President Clinton then pulled out US troops from Somalia after the attacks. A year later, the United Nations who was also there giving humanitarian aid was also attacked, and they also pulled out and gave up on Somalia. Today, Somalia is ASKING the United States for help. In my opinion, I think Somalia should have asked the United Nations for help instead of the United States.  |
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somuch
Joined: 13 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 6:11 am Post subject: |
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It is obvious that apologists for the Muslims have mastered the big lie technique, and like most propagandists, so much is ignoring any facts that do not fit in with his/her agenda.
The Americans were considering withdrawing their troops from North Korea and the South Koreans just about had a national heart attack at the thought of having to deal with the big bad North without their nanny. So that is why the US army is still in Korea.
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HAHA,you must be an American too.Why don't you review my articles recently?I am not a apologists for the Muslims but just a general man who don't want to see so many bloody in the civilization.I am so tired to hear about such as "die in airstrike,die in fire,BULAHBULAHBULAH!"
And so you think the US army should still in Korea because of the reason
you imagined.So pugachevV I think it is ridiculous.For example,we can't bring someone to justice before he/her commits a crime.
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How can you possibly know who is leading the attacks in Iraq? I suppose you only believe what the Arab press is telling you? Whoever they are they are the enemies of peace and are trying to grab the country for themselves.. If there were peace in Iraq the Americans would have gone.
I would also like to know where these "freedom fighters" were when Saddam was torturing and murdering thousands of his own people? I guess because he was an Iraqi, it was OK? Or were they too afraid of him? |
I bet you never pay attention while you are learning news.It is so easily to find what I said from CNN ,BBC ,REUTERS ,etc but not from Arab media,and actually I never got them from Arab media before.You can check with key word 'mehdi,Shiite,etc' to find the truth I told you.
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Only in dictatorships are the people and the government separate.
The US government is not separate from the US people. They are one and the same. In a democracy the majority rules. That is its strength and also its weakness. If the people do not go out to vote at the elections, then they cannot complain if their guy does not win.
You may not have actually used the word "hate" but a knife in the back is fairly traditional in the Middle East. |
So according to your mind,the invasion in Iraq,Afghanistan,Panama,Vietnam,Somali,etc ,all of these are supported by the most of Americans,so that is the despair we get. I 'm not from Mid East and even never been to there,also I'm not a Muslim,But I don'd think you are respecting the else peoples live outside of the USA. |
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somuch
Joined: 13 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 7:01 am Post subject: |
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SHEEZ!! I provided a weblink showing that America have considered withdrawing from South Korea, especially after you stated that they NEVER considered such thing. And what do you write back???? You accuse the US of having a fake democracy? Today, there are giving more consideration because they want to withdraw troops from South Korea and deploy them to Iraq. ...................Why did the US invade Somalia? You must be kidding? The US was in Somalia giving food and humanitarian aid when terrorists attacked them. President Clinton then pulled out US troops from Somalia after the attacks. A year later, the United Nations who was also there giving humanitarian aid was also attacked, and they also pulled out and gave up on Somalia. Today, Somalia is ASKING the United States for help. In my opinion, I think Somalia should have asked the United Nations for help instead of the United States. |
Relax,Diana,I have some friends from South Korea ,all of them condiser the US should withdraw from South Korea immediately ,actaully they made me have the position like this.
I find you denied all the invasions,and you think that is justice in order to help the local peoples .But ,Diana,I'm afraid you absolute wrong.There are at least 5 billion peoples live on the earth,the population of American is about 1/20 of the total.Peoples from different region have different world views,that made the world colorful,so you can't force the others to accept yours though the USA is the most powerful country now,that's cruel,19/20 is much bigger than 1/20 after all . |
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mehrezsassi
Joined: 23 Apr 2004
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Dear PugachevV ,
Doyou really think that America is waging such war to establish freedom in an Arab country like Iraq , this is the business of the professional propagandists in Fox News whose job is to make you believe the brighter side of the story. Do you really believe that the US Administration wants any good for the Arab world at all . I don't like to repeat myself but I would like to raise your attention to the quotation - I quoted in my previous intervention in this page - for D .Cheney , as he was the chairman of Haliburton Oil , the date of his speech was 1999  If you analyze things you will see that heads of such an administration were plotting for oil even before they are elected - If they are actually elected -
As for the Arab press , I suppose you are talking about UFOs .How come that a dying miserable press can influence people worlwide, are you jocking ! ?
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Diana
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Relax,Diana,I have some friends from South Korea ,all of them condiser the US should withdraw from South Korea immediately ,actaully they made me have the position like this.
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Yes, there are SOME South Koreans who want US to withdraw from South Korea, Somuch. And I hate to break the news to you, but you and your South Koreans friends are in the MINORITY. I guess you didn't bother to even look at the polls that was taken in South Korea. So, I will save you the trouble since you are too lazy to click on the weblink. According to the recent polls, 61.4% of South Koreans want the US to stay. Only 3% of the South Koreans want an IMMEDIATE withdrawal of US troops. Your South Korean friends are in that 3%, Somuch.
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I find you denied all the invasions,and you think that is justice in order to help the local peoples .But ,Diana,I'm afraid you absolute wrong.There are at least 5 billion peoples live on the earth,the population of American is about 1/20 of the total.Peoples from different region have different world views,that made the world colorful,so you can't force the others to accept yours though the USA is the most powerful country now,that's cruel,19/20 is much bigger than 1/20 after all . |
And I find that you may have some problems reading since it's obvious that English is your second language. Therefore, I will speak in a much lower vocabulary.
First of all, I NEVER denied all the invasions as you stated. And all you had to do is look at my post. For example, in my post, I stated:
Why the US invaded Afghanistan? The Answer: Because Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda attacked the US FIRST.
The above statement simply says that the US attacked Afghanistan because Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda attacked the US first. Surely, you don't expect the US to do NOTHING after they were attack by Osama Bin Laden now do you, Somuch?????? Or is it perhaps YOU prefer that the US do nothing so that Bin Laden can continue to kill more Americans? Was that the reason you are so disappointed that the US attacked Afghanistan and is going after Bin Laden and Al-Queda. Shame on you, Somuch! And all along, you kept saying that Bin Laden is evil???? YEAH RIGHT! As I said before, you support Bin Laden and al-Queda, and your disapproval of US going after Bin Laden in Afghanistan shows it. You criticize America for going after the terrorists. How sad for you. |
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Diana
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Dear PugachevV ,
Doyou really think that America is waging such war to establish freedom in an Arab country like Iraq , this is the business of the professional propagandists in Fox News whose job is to make you believe the brighter side of the story. Do you really believe that the US Administration wants any good for the Arab world at all . I don't like to repeat myself but I would like to raise your attention to the quotation - I quoted in my previous intervention in this page - for D .Cheney , as he was the chairman of Haliburton Oil , the date of his speech was 1999 If you analyze things you will see that heads of such an administration were plotting for oil even before they are elected - If they are actually elected -
As for the Arab press , I suppose you are talking about UFOs .How come that a dying miserable press can influence people worlwide, are you jocking ! ?
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Americans are showing the stick to the whole world after they have denied it a carrot |
Richard Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton for 5 years BEFORE he became Vice President. Cheney is not CEO of Halliburton since he became Vice President. The only thing he receives from Halliburton is deffered compensation, which was given to him BEFORE he even ran for Vice President. As for the stocks that he has, Cheney has been donating that to charity.
Cheney was hired as CEO for Halliburton in 1995, but the company has been involved in the US government (most expecially the Defense Department) for more than 60 years BEFORE Cheney even became CEO. This was also the same company that put out the oil fires in Kuwait in 1992 after Saddam withdrew from the country, and Cheney wasn't even in charge of Halliburton at that time. Exactly what do you think Halliburton oil is doing in Iraq? Sitting around and sunbathing in the hot sun? They have approximately 27,000 employees in Iraq, building diners, bridges, schools, and restoring the oil infrastructure of the country so their main economy would help the people. Surely, you don't think a country can survive WITHOUT a viable economy???? And surely, you don't think that building schools, diners, bridges, etc. is BAD for the people, now do you?
How sad that these so-called Arab "freedom fighters" are attacking not only the American troops but also Iraqi police officers. How sad that these so-called Arab "freedom fighters" are destroying the electricity and water supply that would help the Iraqi people. Tell me, where were these Arab "freedom fighters" when Saddam was torturing and murdering innocent Iraqis???? Where was the "Jihad" against Saddam Hussein? Why didn't these freedom fighters come out and fight Saddam for all the murders he caused? Were these freedom fighters asleep while Saddam was killing innocent Iraqis???? |
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somuch
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, there are SOME South Koreans who want US to withdraw from South Korea, Somuch. And I hate to break the news to you, but you and your South Koreans friends are in the MINORITY. I guess you didn't bother to even look at the polls that was taken in South Korea. So, I will save you the trouble since you are too lazy to click on the weblink. According to the recent polls, 61.4% of South Koreans want the US to stay. Only 3% of the South Koreans want an IMMEDIATE withdrawal of US troops. Your South Korean friends are in that 3%, Somuch.
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It looks like I am such a lucky man.All my South Korean friends are in the 3% want the withdrawal of US troops.But they told me actually the peoples want the US to withdraw from South Korea are in the majority though the the poll shows they are in the minority,the poll is just a tool to suppress the violent anti-American in South Korea.
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And I find that you may have some problems reading since it's obvious that English is your second language. Therefore, I will speak in a much lower vocabulary.
First of all, I NEVER denied all the invasions as you stated. And all you had to do is look at my post. For example, in my post, I stated:
Why the US invaded Afghanistan? The Answer: Because Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda attacked the US FIRST.
The above statement simply says that the US attacked Afghanistan because Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda attacked the US first. Surely, you don't expect the US to do NOTHING after they were attack by Osama Bin Laden now do you, Somuch?????? Or is it perhaps YOU prefer that the US do nothing so that Bin Laden can continue to kill more Americans? Was that the reason you are so disappointed that the US attacked Afghanistan and is going after Bin Laden and Al-Queda. Shame on you, Somuch! And all along, you kept saying that Bin Laden is evil???? YEAH RIGHT! As I said before, you support Bin Laden and al-Queda, and your disapproval of US going after Bin Laden in Afghanistan shows it. You criticize America for going after the terrorists. How sad for you. |
First of all,I can read English well though I can't express well.All of your posted I have already read.
You allegat for every invasion,and you think that is not deny them.Base on your logic,if one day it proved that JFK was murdered by assassin who was emploied by USSR ,then the USA will attack Russia immediately. |
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Diana
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And exactly how are the South Koreans being suppressed??? From what I saw, they were able to voice their own opinions and even conduction demonstrations and marches. Do you see any South Koreans being put in jail because they marched in an anti-American protest? If they are truly being suppressed, you wouldn't even see any protest or demonstrations. Therefore, you are incorrect in stating that South Koreans who hate the Americans are being suppressed.
Now, if you go to North Korea, do you hear any protests, marches, or demonstrations?
Actually, if JFK was assasinated by Russia, FIRST, the United States will conduct an investigation as to who killed JFK. If Russia is involved, then the US will demand Russia to give up the person or persons responsible for the assasination. If Russia complies, then all is well. If not, then the US may attack. That's exactly what happened after the 911 attacks. After the US conducted their investigation, they found out that it was Osama Bin Laden and al-Queda who were responsible. The US demanded the Taliban to surrender Bin Laden and all those responsible. They even gave the Taliban a deadline. Therefore, Somuch, as you can see, the US did NOT attack immediately. They warned the Taliban that they will attack them if they did not surrender Bin Laden. The Taliban was warned. Also, Saddam Hussein was also warned. The US did not just attack Iraq immediately. Saddam was given chances and warned. SHEESH! You really forgot things that happened only 3 years ago! |
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somuch
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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And exactly how are the South Koreans being suppressed??? From what I saw, they were able to voice their own opinions and even conduction demonstrations and marches. Do you see any South Koreans being put in jail because they marched in an anti-American protest? If they are truly being suppressed, you wouldn't even see any protest or demonstrations. Therefore, you are incorrect in stating that South Koreans who hate the Americans are being suppressed.
Now, if you go to North Korea, do you hear any protests, marches, or demonstrations?
Actually, if JFK was assasinated by Russia, FIRST, the United States will conduct an investigation as to who killed JFK. If Russia is involved, then the US will demand Russia to give up the person or persons responsible for the assasination. If Russia complies, then all is well. If not, then the US may attack. That's exactly what happened after the 911 attacks. After the US conducted their investigation, they found out that it was Osama Bin Laden and al-Queda who were responsible. The US demanded the Taliban to surrender Bin Laden and all those responsible. They even gave the Taliban a deadline. Therefore, Somuch, as you can see, the US did NOT attack immediately. They warned the Taliban that they will attack them if they did not surrender Bin Laden. The Taliban was warned. Also, Saddam Hussein was also warned. The US did not just attack Iraq immediately. Saddam was given chances and warned. SHEESH! You really forgot things that happened only 3 years ago! |
My harddisk broke yesterday but it 's ok now.
Actually,there were some South Koreans charged with demonstrating against the US troops,and were put into jail.
I believe America would do as you said,but they didn't.Some of the evidences pointed to USSR but the US didn't investigate deeply .And then they caught the scapegoat .It is proveded,the US is just a coward.If there was not the Pearl Harbor,the America even would not join the WW II. |
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Diana
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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My harddisk broke yesterday but it 's ok now.
Actually,there were some South Koreans charged with demonstrating against the US troops,and were put into jail.
I believe America would do as you said,but they didn't.Some of the evidences pointed to USSR but the US didn't investigate deeply .And then they caught the scapegoat .It is proveded,the US is just a coward.If there was not the Pearl Harbor,the America even would not join the WW II. |
Well, South Korea have a demonstration. Yes, some demonstrators in the US also were arrested because they got out of hand and became violent. I guess they never heard of a peaceful demonstration.
Some of the evidence point to the USSR???? And of course, you have this evidence? Where is the evidence, Somuch? |
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somuch
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Well, South Korea have a demonstration. Yes, some demonstrators in the US also were arrested because they got out of hand and became violent. I guess they never heard of a peaceful demonstration.
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Haha,they never heard of a peaceful demonstration,really?  As far as I know,most of the demonstrations are peaceful.
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Some of the evidence point to the USSR???? And of course, you have this evidence? Where is the evidence, Somuch? |
Some of them you can found by yourself ,if you thought deeply. For example,the murder had been in the USSR for several years before he went back to the USA,and he believes communism.After he was arrested ,he was killed.Don't you find something in the series of coincidences.
btw,we are too far away from the point.  |
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Diana
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Haha,they never heard of a peaceful demonstration,really? As far as I know,most of the demonstrations are peaceful.
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As far as you know???? I guess that means you weren't even there to witness anything.
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Some of them you can found by yourself ,if you thought deeply. For example,the murder had been in the USSR for several years before he went back to the USA,and he believes communism.After he was arrested ,he was killed.Don't you find something in the series of coincidences.
btw,we are too far away from the point. |
In other words, NO, you don't have any evidence. I rest my case.  |
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somuch
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As far as you know???? I guess that means you weren't even there to witness anything.
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It seems like you are in Iraq and witnessing the free life of the Iraqis now.
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In other words, NO, you don't have any evidence. I rest my case. |
But they are still there though you deny or bother.I rest my case too.  |
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