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[element105]

Ah,so according to your mind if in Germany there is no legal neo-nazis commemorating Hitler publicly that proves Germany is not a democratic country or just proves your phrenetic?

[asterix]

To 105
You still haven't told us how you think Japan and America are going to get into a war.
Or do you keep referring to the Chaos Theory because you think somehow that would explain it?
There are going to be Japanese soldiers of that era who like to put on their old uniforms and march about. They are proud of their service to their emperor and their country. Many of the old soldiers of all the other nations who took part, (probably even Chinese) are proud of their part in it.
But the old enemies are now friends, and you might ask yourself what they all died for?
Now that my existence has become known in the hall of the gods where you live, perhaps you might stir yourself to answer my questions.
Telling me to keep silent does not count as debate.

[element105]

First,it seems the theories maze you much that you still don't know what will happen triggered by the new history textbook.Don't you think the number of people who believe the book will increase faster and faster if the book is legal to be used as school textbook?What if majority of Japanese have such idea how their policy will go?Amending constitution,expanding military force,then how they will do with the US military bases which place in Japan?Or will the US let Japan go expanding its power freely?I want to tell you,accompanied with Japan's step of expanding pacific ocean region,conflict between Japan and USA will be inevitable,as well as the current friction between Japan-China or Japan-Korea.

Second,you actually said "They are proud of their service to their emperor and their country. Many of the old soldiers of all the other nations who took part, (probably even Chinese) are proud of their part in it. ",are you insane???They are proud of serving emperor and killing countless people,do you think this is forgivable?So the alive old nazi soldiers should dress on their SS uniform,marching in the street and being proud of their holocaust to Jews?Oh,and before that they should set up a monument on which graves with the name of Adolf Hitler.Is that what you want to say?Is that what you have leant at school??

Shame of you!!!

[asterix]

The problem is human ego. If China and Japan get into a war it will be because of stupidity on the part of humans fuelled by ego, not because of a book.
Japan has a very small army and I doubt the colossal Chinese army has much to fear from it. But how about the other way around?
Can you explain to me why those old men wear those old uniforms, if they are not proud to have served in them?
The old German SS members do not parade, as far as I know, in their uniforms because it is illegal in modern Germany. That does not mean the old soldiers are not proud of their service.
I expect those Chinese soldiers who perpetrated the war crimes in Tibet are probably proud to wear the uniform of the Chinese Army, too. Just as are those who killed the students in Beijing.
Can't you feel the flush of anger your own ego is raising in you?

[element105]

to asterix,
You don't answer my question in my last post.

Yes,China has a large army because of its large territory,but the navy is tiny compared with its long coastline;Japan has the largest navy in asia,what's it used for?Self-defensing only?It's far from a self-defense navy,it ranges all western pecific ocean region.

"Can you explain to me why those old men wear those old uniforms, if they are not proud to have served in them? "
You misunderstand my mind,I agree with you that they are proud to have served,and that's what would have to be forbidden strictly,I guess the same thing you won't see in Germany.Why the attitude to the past so different between Germang and Japan.Does Japan really realize its sins?No,I think.They don't really realize their sins instead,they criticize others make an issue of the past.And not only the old soldiers that are proud of what they did in the past,it also includes some government ministers,is it a public opinion I'm wondering otherwise,how dare they do that?

[asterix]

[element105]

[element105]

Mr.Admiral,I'm not trying to talk about a war,I am talking about the justice,justice for the countless victims.

[asterix]

Those who parade on Armistice Day do it to honour their fallen comrades. Nothing less.
You should understand that. It's what you want from Japan.
But Japan has told you to buzz off. They are not going to apologise and you may as well get used to it.
Now, perhaps you will answer my questions.
You know that any demonstration that takes place in China has to be approved by the government, or it is crushed, as the students protest for democracy in the 80s was.
Why aren't you protesting about that? It is your country and your government, so you will have more effect on them than you will on the Japanese. Perhaps you approve of your government using the army to kill unarmed students?
Chairman Mao was responsible for the deaths of many millions of your own people, why aren't you demanding an apology about that from his successors? Or do you approve of that too?
I think if you are going to criticise your friends in Japan, you ought to fix China first.

[asterix]

(Reuters) - The leaders of China and Japan agreed to mend ruptured ties during ice-breaking talks in Jakarta on Saturday, although Chinese President Hu Jintao said Japan needed to learn from its wartime past. The talks came a day after Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi made an unusually public apology for Japan's past atrocities in Asia during a summit of Asian and African leaders in the Indonesian capital. Ties between the Asian giants had deteriorated to their worst since the normalization of relations in 1972, putting at risk economic links worth $212 billion in annual trade.

There is the reason - 212 billion of them.
There are no principles higher than those.

[element105]

Dear,asterix,do you know the difference between war criminals and regular soldiers?In Japan they dont merely commemorate the regular soldiers,but also commemorate the war criminals,further,their government do nothing with it even there have been some VIPs doing the same thing all the time.So it's very distinct thing happenning in Japan from happenning in Germany.

If someone has killed your family members,telling you to buzz off and not going to apologise.What are you going to do?Maybe you will get used to it.


Do you know 93' L.A. riot?Do you know there are too many cases of racialism happenning in the USA?Then why did they invade Iraq to 'free' Iraqis but not to clear their room first?Can you tell me why?Let me show you an example:While a husband is quarrelling with his wife for family affair,a robber comes in.What will the couple do next?Continue quarrelling or drive the robber out of their house together?If you are the husband which option you will take?

At last,thank you for correcting my mistakes and hope you can keep doing it.As for phrenetic,maybe you can find a approximate word for yourself as well.

[element105]

[asterix]

105,
When I wrote

[element105]

[asterix]

105,
From this discussion it's obvious that you are afraid to criticise your own government, or you approve of their actions.
I have learned that you are a hypocrite, somewhat pusillanimous or, perhaps, part of the problem.
Perhaps one day they will make you a commissar.
I bid you good day.