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river1974



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: to and for Reply with quote
Dear teachers:

(a) To understand fully what is happening it is necessary to know why it should happen.
(b) For understanding fully what is happening it is necessary to know why it should happen.

Is (a) the same in meaning as (b)?

Thanks.
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asterix



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes.
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missdaredevil



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: to and for Reply with quote
river1974 wrote:
(b) For understanding fully what is happening it is necessary to know why it should happen.
Thanks.


For understanding fully * of * what is happening it is necessary to know why it should happen.

Would that make sense, too?
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toe



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no need for "of" there.

but i might say instead, "*for full understanding* of what is happening, it is necessary to know why it should happen."

using understanding as a noun here.

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toe

edited: or more clearly, "for full understanding of WHAT is happening, it is necessary to know WHY it is happening." do you see the change? it means the same, just more concise.
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river1974



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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but i might say instead, "*for full understanding* of what is happening, it is necessary to know why it should happen."

Thanks toe. I've never thought of writing it that way. It seems that "for + n" is more natural than "for + V-ing".
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toe



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
glad to help ^___^
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