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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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Location: So. Cal
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| If its my turn to do it,however,I'd rather hire some ex-service delta forces or sealmen to do it,anyway,whoever is hired NK must primarily think the USA is behind the scenes,to hire ex-deltas is just to make the action more credible. |
Hey, not a bad idea! Very cool. I heard that it is possible to hire such mercenaries from advertisements in Soldier of Fortune magazine (http://www.sofmag.com/home.do), though I have never read it so I don't know for sure. Anyway, I still think Spetznaz have a better chance of success.
But in any case, it would make for an interesting movie or video game.
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| Besides,I wonder what do you think about American civil war?Do you support the USA to separate in two pieces?Was Lincoln doing wrong that stopped southern states from being freely independent along with forbidden southerners their right of seeking independence? |
I don't know if you mean that to be a rhetorical question, but it is actually a legitimate and serious question that scholars today can argue about. While I personally feel what Lincoln did was a necessary evil to keep the Union together, others can equally argue that Lincoln exceeded his presidential authority and violated the rights of the southern states. Even today, one of our internal political struggles is a continued arguement about states' rights and the limits of the federal government.
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N. Korea ...wouldn't even exist without the continued support and protection of China (and to a slightly lesser extent Russia). China is N. Korea's god, and it's time they learned to fear and respect god.
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Huh,are you being ironic?I heard some graves of Chinese soldiers who died in Korea war were destroyed,do you think this is a good thing that a little bi-atch would do to her god? |
Really? I did not know that. That is a horrible thing for N. Korea to do to a country that has helped them so much. It seems N. Korea is quick to forget the past just like Japan.
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| And if the US send army deployed by the Yalu River,definitely the war would break out, |
Why? I don't know if the U.S. army has any nuclear missiles in S. Korea now, but if they did, after N. Korea falls, they can remove all missiles since they won't be necessary anymore. Perhaps the U.S. and China could work together to help rebuild N. Korea with S. Korea.
Anyway, this is all "what if" thinking. I am too cynical to expect the situation to end peacefully.
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| what reason the USA can use to stop and limit other countries(like Iran,Libya,etc.) getting it?Every country could say feeling of nuclear threat from nuclear possessed countries and then builds abomb. |
My point exactly. If Kim 2 is not stopped, this will spread like a virus. If the non-proliferation treaty becomes just trash, soon everyone will have atomic bombs. The U.S. doesn't want to see Iran develope bombs (not because they will use them, but for fear that they will give atomic bombs to terrorists group allies who will not hesitate to use them). And China doesn't want to see Japan or Taiwan develope atomic bombs.
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| 2)More than a dozen americans told me in some other place that Japan is a little slave belongs to the USA(whether you agree on it or not,that's totally true), |
Oh, I don't dissagree. 40-50 years ago, after the war, that was definitely true. Today they are slowly finding their own independence and voice. But still, (to use an English idiom) they know which side their bread is buttered on. Though they may try to forget history, let's hope Japan remembers who is the boss after Kim 2 tests his atomic bomb. |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
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Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Bob S. wrote: |
But in any case, it would make for an interesting movie or video game.
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Rambo X is ok but italian stallion is kinda old,hell. 
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While I personally feel what Lincoln did was a necessary evil to keep the Union together, others can equally argue that Lincoln exceeded his presidential authority and violated the rights of the southern states. Even today, one of our internal political struggles is a continued arguement about states' rights and the limits of the federal government.
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Well,I should say I agree with you that it maybe evil but was truly necessary.Consequently,paying attention to individual right does not mean ignoring that of the whole,furthermore,when some people's right interferes wholes',it must obey the latter,in other words,over emphasizing individual right and freedom is even not accepted by individuals.No matter how democratic and free a country(like the USA) self-proclaims,no matter what ideology a country dominated,the fact 'every inch of territory covered in blood' does not change at all.
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Anyway, this is all "what if" thinking. I am too cynical to expect the situation to end peacefully.
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I expect the same thing though,I could find no clue that showed the situation was going to promote with the firm deployment of the US army in SK,which showed no sincerity,at least imo.
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My point exactly. If Kim 2 is not stopped, this will spread like a virus. If the non-proliferation treaty becomes just trash, soon everyone will have atomic bombs. The U.S. doesn't want to see Iran develope bombs (not because they will use them, but for fear that they will give atomic bombs to terrorists group allies who will not hesitate to use them). And China doesn't want to see Japan or Taiwan develope atomic bombs.
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You should think why Kim2 was eager to possess nuclear weapon now,on the one hand,a long term of nuclear threat from America(Not feel the threat but really threadened) is conducted.China once shared the same 'treatment' during korea war time,Pres Truman threatened to nuke China in that war many times.On the other hand,the invasion to Iraq was directly triggered it.Everybody in the globe saw how a sovereignty was violated by a superpower finally excused with a nonexistent proof,the only way to pretect oneself from being invaded has become an a-bomb way,I guess that's why NK proclaimed possessing nukes as soon as the end of Iraq war.So,my suggestion on this issue is to make NK feel safety first,instead of previous hard line put on them,when they no longer feels threat,especially nuclear threat,we can talk with them,they may give up their nuclear project and return to a peace-seeking way.A Chinese saying says 'a man barefooted is tougher than a man booted',don't push them too much.
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let's hope Japan remembers who is the boss after Kim 2 tests his atomic bomb.
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I hope so,after all,hah,to some extent,its balls are kept in grasp of uncle Sam,isn't it?
btw Bob,may I ask where's 'So. Cal',I never heard of it? |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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Location: So. Cal
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| While I personally feel what Lincoln did was a necessary evil to keep the Union together... |
Well,I should say I agree with you that it maybe evil but was truly necessary.Consequently,paying attention to individual right does not mean ignoring that of the whole,furthermore,...No matter how democratic and free a country(like the USA) self-proclaims, |
I agree. It is understood that rights and responsibilities should go together. We say, you have the right of free speech, but your right does NOT include the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
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| You should think why Kim2 was eager to possess nuclear weapon now,on the one hand,a long term of nuclear threat from America(Not feel the threat but really threadened) is conducted.China once shared the same 'treatment' during korea war time,Pres Truman threatened to nuke China in that war many times. |
From the history I read, it was General MacArthur that suggested using atomic weapons against China. For this, and for MacArthur's arrogance, Pres. Truman fired him. Probably a good thing. MacArthur started to forget that America is not a military dictatorship, and even generals must answer to a higher boss.
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| A Chinese saying says 'a man barefooted is tougher than a man booted',don't push them too much. |
Ooo, I like that. I hope you don't mind if I use that.  I love these proverbs from different cultures.
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| to some extent,its balls are kept in grasp of uncle Sam,isn't it? |
And as it should be. 
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| btw Bob,may I ask where's 'So. Cal',I never heard of it? |
It's short for Southern California. L.A. La-La Land. It seems everybody comes here eventually, so if you make it here for a business trip, I'll treat you to a beer. |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
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Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Bob S. wrote: |
MacArthur started to forget that America is not a military dictatorship, and even generals must answer to a higher boss.
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Yes,it was MacArthur,sorry I remember wrong.
America was not a military dictatorship,but now,after the collapse of the USSR,I'm afraid,it is and it's reasonable when it came to no one was capable to restrict it.
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Ooo, I like that. I hope you don't mind if I use that. I love these proverbs from different cultures.
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Certainly,I don't mind.You know I'm not good at translating,anyway,just feel free to use it.
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It's short for Southern California. L.A. La-La Land. It seems everybody comes here eventually, so if you make it here for a business trip, I'll treat you to a beer.
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Haha,thank you,I wish to have business there someday,does it really never rain in So. Cal,Hah?  |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Haha,thank you,I wish to have business there someday,does it really never rain in So. Cal,Hah? |
Ah, it is a myth promoted for tourism. Southern California is mostly a desert climate, so it gets very little rain most of the year. The rainy season is December to April, and it is lucky to get 40cm of rain each year. Though the mountains to the north and east get much more rain (and a danger of mud slides) and even snow. In April, it is possible to go surfing in the morning, then drive 3 hours to a ski resort for skiing in the afternoon. (Not that I've ever done it, but it is possible.)
Here is an interesting site for facts about L.A.: http://www.city-data.com/city/Los-Angeles-California.html
What part of China are you from? I've visited the Shanghai and Beijing areas as a tourist, but only briefly. I'd love to spend more time exploring the cities again some day.
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| Bob, I don't understand what your aims is and what you want to achieve. What about Shanghai? |
No aim, really. Just shooting the bull with Element. We both have strong opposing views on some things, and neither of us is moved much to the other's position. But we do share some common ground on a few topics (namely the original purpose of this topic: a Japanese textbook ignoring a shameful part of Japanese history), so it's a nice place to wrap things up on a friendly note. I've got plenty of friends whose opinions are closer to Element's than to my own. But there is an English saying: Opinions are like noses: everybody has one.
What about Shanghai? I'm not sure what you mean. |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
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Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Ah,thanks for the vivid intro,I think it would be great to go skiing in the morning and go surfing in the afternoon.
Tsingtao,namely Qingdao,is located on Jiaozhou bay in east China's Shandong peninsula.On the map,you can find it to the north of Shanghai and to the southeast of Beijing(for more details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingdao).You may heard of Tsingtao Beer,for which the city is famous worldwild.Residents drink fresh beer everyday especially in the summer days you can smell the aroma of beer everywhere while you have a walk in the street.The climate here is also great,not too hot in the summer as well as not too cold in the winter.Red tiles,green trees,blue sky and sea outline the city.On the east of the city,1 hour driving way,there is Lao mountain,a well-known showplace in which there are many temples of Taoism which has been built for hundreds years.In the near future 2008,Qingdao will honorably be the sailing venue of the Olympic Games,now the project has been set off,a 35-kilometers-long bridge will be completed over the Jiaozhou Bay by then along with other establishments.The Olympic Games is a good chance for you to take a trip of Qingdao,I'd glad to treat you tsingtao beer. |
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Reiko2005
Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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| If two people have been educated in different countries, and they have developed different beliefs, it is natural that they may have very different, even conflicting, ideas. So, it can be very difficult for them to agree with each other about many things. In most cases, probably neither one is completely right, or neither one is completely wrong. There are many cases where discussion will not lead to any compromise or solution. Then at least we have to continue to discuss. I think that�s what has been actually happening with the six-country talks. Tolerance, probably not �understanding�, is the key to a next step. |
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