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[Bob S.]

[RedRose]

[element105]

Manuel,dont you apologize for referring to the forkland war,you just started a very good topic of how a terrorist attack is defined.

Maybe decades years later,people reconsider London blasts and coalition's invasion of Iraq,they can't distinguish them by then

Bob,just try when you find it,you wont be disappointed.

As for the Tao,to some extent,you could think karma's similar to it but,have you heard of that the Tao that can be followed is not the eternal Tao,enjoy it

[asterix]

Egypt has attacked Israel three times in the last 60 years. So, is Egypt a terrorist nation?

Did the Israelis blow up buses in Cairo, or send misguided fools to blow themselves up in your cafes??

No - they beat you on the battlefield - their army against Egypt and the usual suspects.

Islamic Imams in UK (at least) have said that such acts of murder as were carried out in London and the USA are contrary to the teachings of Islam.
Finally, someone who knows about Islam is telling the truth. I have the feeling the only reason they dare do so is that they are safe in a democracy that respects their right to worship and say what they please.

[Manuel]

Well, thanks for your words, now I won�t apologize for nothing else in the forum.I�m starting to think that if I hadn�t specified my nationality(as very few did) the discusion would have never started.
I would like to know more details about Tao, it�s a whole new idea (or at least it�s the name of something that I have been thinking for a long time, but I didn�t know how to call it).
Well, I have just turned the TV on and I can see that there has been another attack in London.Awful. I hope there are no casualties.
Let me know what you find out, in a way, you�re nearer than me from the facts.

[asterix]

The Tao and Chan (Zen) are two very interesting and absorbing Eastern philosophies.
There are many books available about them.
If you are not interested in the usual organised religions you will find them refreshing.

[element105]

Asterix,are you Chinese descent?I just found I underestimated you

[element105]

Manuel,if you one day really got what was told in 'Dao De Jing',probably the first book about Tao completed aroud 500 BC by Lao Zi,you would become an immortal. My understanding of Tao is standing still on the very surface.

[Manuel]

[element105]

For one thing,one wants to understand it must have to read the book by oneself in classical Chinese language which has made most foreigners and many less educated Chinese unqualified at the beginning(any other version couldn't express what the original one said because the translators simply translated what he got).Although the Jing is composed of less than one thousand of characters,these characters vary in many different ways to understand which deplys on diverse angle of view that choosed by people. Further,it requires one must be a ascetic,to the people who are qualified for the first step and live in modern times,how many of them are attracted in searching the truth of the Tao,to these people,exactly how many of them can sacrifice all of that they have gotten in realistic life,reputation,fortune,love,sex,etc..
Of course,overpassing the two preconditions ,the few lucky left elites are just at the gate of the Tao,they must be intelligent enough for the following study and challenge.

Only my view.

[Manuel]

Too difficult.

[element105]

[Manuel]

that�s not the only way

[element105]

Idon't know others,but it's the traditional Chinese way

[Manuel]

So, you can only understand Tao being Chinese, because (sorry to say it) , you have the most complicated language in the world