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christina_nguyen



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:48 am    Post subject: i think, therefore i am Reply with quote

Hi,

Could someone plz explain the meaning of "I think, therefore I am!"

Thanks,

--Christina
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Rene Descartes Reply with quote

Hello, Christina.

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/Outline_of_Great_Books_Volume_I/ithinkth_bga.html
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antran1976



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Thinking = Being Reply with quote

Hi Christina,

Thinking = Being and so therefore I think = I am. Philosophically, it is deep but conveys a very simple state of reality. It's like the notion of "suchness" or things as they are in Buddhism (actually not exactly). But for your understanding, "I think therefore I am" could be interpreted as "By thinking I am being" or "To think is to be." My personal perspective! Very Happy

An V. Tran

p.s. "Toi suy tu, boi the toi la toi." Very Happy (my Vietnamese is bad!)
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ClarissaMach



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there's this french philosopher, Ren� Descartes, who believed that none of our senses were able to provide true experience, i.e., our eyes, ears and tact were not able to really show us the true reality of the world. So that none of the experiences we had through our senses could be considered beyond all doubt.

But then he realises that, if he's able to doubt, it means he's able to think; we can't doubt the existence of our minds since the very act of doubting requires a mind, isn't it? In other words, "I can't doubt the fact that I am able to doubt; if I am able to doubt, it means that I am able to think; and, If I am able to think, it means I exist - at least as a "thinking substance".

So, "I think, therefore I am" ("Cogito, ergo sum" in latin).


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LucentShade



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not try searching for the phrase (in "" quotation marks like you have it written here) on Google --it usually works pretty well for strange phrases like this one.
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ClarissaMach



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is "I think, therefore I am" considered a strange phrase in the USA?

Because here in Brazil it's so commonly known that it's even used in advertisements ("I think, therefore I watch [that TV channel...]". Probably doesn't sounds great in English, but in Portuguese it's very effective - "Penso, logo assisto" sounds very similar to "Penso, logo existo").
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hitori2k6



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: I think, therefore I am... Reply with quote

Actually, it comes from the original Latin
"Cogito ergo Sum".

This axiom holds that our consciousness prevails over existence.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClarissaMach wrote:
Is "I think, therefore I am" considered a strange phrase in the USA?

Because here in Brazil it's so commonly known that it's even used in advertisements ("I think, therefore I watch [that TV channel...]". Probably doesn't sounds great in English, but in Portuguese it's very effective - "Penso, logo assisto" sounds very similar to "Penso, logo existo").


Actually, it's not strange--I meant that if you don't understand a phrase, you can usually find meanings for it online with this method. Since "I think, therefore I am" was a phrase said by a famous philosopher, its use has spread to the Western world (Western Europe, the US, Canada, Central America, South America, and elsewhere).
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