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Napoleon · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 31

TW always was in the past, it is nowaday and will be forever a part of China.

element105 · Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 518 Location: Tsingtao,China

element105 · Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 518 Location: Tsingtao,China

KHF · Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 100 Location: ON, Canada

BourneNOIR · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 113

To all those pro-communist people who have been brainwashed by the communist party about everyone being "brothers" and "sisters" and all that crap about having the same blood... So what if I'm Chinese and I have the same blood? Why can't I have my own DEMOCRATIC government? Just because we have the same blood does that mean I have to do everything the COMMUNISTS say? Just because we have the same blood, does that mean I can't say I don't like communism and want a country with a better government? Does having two different countries change the fact that we have the same blood? Just because brothers and sisters are part of the same family does not mean that they can't leave the family to start their own different family? If we do have the same blood then the mainlanders in China should be more supportive of a progress to seek a better government in Taiwan. People in Taiwan just want to have their own say in international matters. It is Communist China that's blocking our every attempt. If we have the same blood, then it does not matter if we're in China, Taiwan, or anywhere in the world. How does having the same blood or not play a part in Taiwanese people trying to form a country with a much better government and economy?

If the American colonists felt the same way about the British Empire and that they're killing own "brothers" and "sisters" then there wouldn't be an American Revolution, no American Independence, no American Democracy. Every British colony would still be under the rule of the British Empire and democracy would not have flourished to the extent we have today!

BourneNOIR · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 113

You want to see TW part of China? Go destroy that communist government of yours, THEN we'll talk.

If I'd want to be part of China, I'd rather be part of the old, sick, and dying Republic of China. Period.

Yuppysea · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 21

What a son of *beep* you are? If you are a man,You *beep* come to mainland talking about this.You know,you will be beaten into pieces.Don't just post or do other drumbeating as your president do like a *beep*'s behavior!
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mudd · Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 37

As far as I am concered, most countries recognze the "One China Policy".

BourneNOIR · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 113

Yeah, and what kind of a man are you? A true man dares to criticize his own and other people's government for flaws. A true man embraces the right to express his own political views. A true man dares to fight for his right to freedom. I dare to say the Taiwanese government is not the best government; they're corrupt just like any other government in the world. I dare to say that the KMT is old and delusional. I dare to go up to the Presidential Palace in Taipei to hold a rally to say that the DPP is doing a poor job. I dare to speak up criticizing the Taiwanese government. I dare to join protests in front of the White House for human rights. I dare to write petitions to the United States Congress for changes in laws. DO YOU?? CAN YOU?? And you don't think you've been brainwashed by the communists?

No government is perfect. Do you DARE to speak up about things you find wrong with the communist government? I DON'T THINK SO! Yeah, if every man got balls in mainland China they'd also dare to point out some flaws in the communist government. If the communist government has balls then they would tolerate people's criticism and try to improve themselves, NOT throw them in jail!! If you can guarantee me my freedom of speech and human rights, I DARE to go to mainland China to speak my mind.

Don't you like freedom? Don't you want to express your opinions without worrying that it might offend the communist government? If you call yourself a man, then go up to the Chinese Parliament and say that you would like freedom of speech, the right to criticize the government, the right to hold peaceful demonstrations, etc. Yeah, I'd have to say that those people who died in Tiananmen Sq. have the guts to fight for democratic freedom; they ARE my "brothers" and "sisters". DO YOU?? Or do you deny that 6/4 ever happened? If so, you don't think you've been brainwashed? Yeah, so what if I'm drumbeating? The Internet is as close to mainland China as I can get without getting arrested. The communist government is afraid of people like me to arouse the desire for human rights that's hidden in its people. That's why they created people like you to beat down those people who speak up.

Before any man can criticize other people, he must criticize himself first. I've already criticized my own government, KMT, and DPP. Do you dare to do the same?

BourneNOIR · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 113

On a side note: I actually DO wish Google or other search engines pick up my post and list it in their search results for everyone in the world to see, even those people in China.

However, if the communist Chinese government has its way, I'd probably end up on their "Watch List", this site would be blacklisted, and Google as well as other search engines will have this post filtered out from their search results. So much for freedom of expression.

To all those mainlanders who claims to be "brothers" and "sisters" with the same blood. Don't you want to be FREE? Don't you want to have your HUMAN RIGHTS given back to you and protected by the government? Don't you want a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? It's NOT just about Taiwan separating from China. It's about people finding and wanting a DEMOCRATIC government. Don't you want a better life? Ironically, I have friends from college who are actually mainlanders. But they definitely enjoy the benefits of democracy in the United States. That is what the people in Taiwan want, democracy and freedom from oppression. But without international recognition, Taiwan can't go very far. That's the reasoning behind claiming independence, nothing more nothing less.

If you truly are my "brothers" and "sisters" who share the same 5000 years of heritage and history, then rise up and speak your voice supporting democracy in Taiwan and/or China. The communist government burned books and destroyed artifacts during the Cultural Revolution that belonged to our ancestors and scarred our 5000 years of heritage. Do you still consider the communists government as your "brothers" and "sisters" when they jailed and executed so many "brothers" and "sisters" during the Cultural Revolution for holding on to 5000 years of traditional Chinese values? The communists are the ones who denounced the Chinese heritage. Don't believe me? Go look it up in any reference history book that's not controlled by China. Go Google it from any non-Chinese webpage. You may not like what you see, but truth hurts. If having democracy in Taiwan is not enough to function as an international state, then the only way is to either watch your "brothers" and "sisters" in Taiwan suffer by falling back into the hands of communism, or form its own internationally recognized new nation. Once we do, you're all welcome to enjoy your freedom and human rights here.

lancesky · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 14

what!what!
Taiwan independent to a country will bring it dustruction.I promse.

BourneNOIR · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 113