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Boy Rates
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: This is a welcome ???? |
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JEEZ! A student comes here for the first time to share a great story he's proud of and this is what he gets????
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I am wondering why you submitted this story because it is a forum for learning English. However, if you submitted it to ask for comments and corrections so you may improve your command of English then may I, as a teacher , say something.
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This guy's not REALLY asking permission to "say something". Notice how he "forgot" to use a question mark? He didn't even wait for an answer! He's just chomping at the bit to get out his BIG red pencil and point out all the MISTAKES the kid made!
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It was an interesting effort and I commend you. However there were points that need to be brought to your attention
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UH OH watch out! HERE IT COMES . . .
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First, you must get out of the habit of using lower case i instead of capital I. It is non-conventional, and I am sure you want to learn conventional English. And you should always start a sentence with a capital letter.
Second, you must watch your typing, and make sure you have the correct spacing. You slipped up when typing bushes,crossing, and nighttime. (It should be night time) and you used commas instead of stops several times.
Third, you must be careful about spelling (ting - tiny, deceeded - decided, and fictioneer for example.)
There were several slips in your grammar. (i have crouched should be I crouched, for example)
There were several sentences that were not clear. i doubt that this animal is living in the nighttime, for example. I am sure that whatever it was it was it was living in the night time as well as the day time.
And I am not clear what you meant by "aim is coming" I think aloud. Furthermore, the blue lights look around does not make sense. Lights cannot look around. And I am unclear what you mean by It's wild man who fictioneer often write it. |
And now this student is supposed to want to come back here????
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How COULD they be???? You picked apart everything the poor kid wrote! I woudn't be surprised if he never comes back.
Thank God for the Philo's of the world! Advoca if you really ARE a teacher I feel sorry for your students! Get off your soap box. This kind of "help" borders on abuse!
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bud
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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Location: New Jersey, US
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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He just never gets it. I've also shared with him that I feel sorry for his students. Unfortuantely, I do believe him that he really is a teacher. The saving grace is that he teachers adults, so at least they have the choice to leave his classroom.
I think he ought to consider becoming a research biologist - one who spends years at a time out in the jungle studying some exotic animal. It sure would save us human beings who come in contact with him from an utter annoyance! |
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Boy Rates
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| Hear, hear, Bud! Well said! LOL |
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Boy Rates
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Advoca might just be a slow learner, Bud. We really should try to help him. We can start by taking a look at his posts so we can show him what he's doing wrong. He often tells others, "You should not object to having your spelling mistakes pointed out so that students will learn from these mistakes." He's also been known to say, "Getting rid of bad habits is very difficult when there is no feedback, no corrections," so I'm sure he'll be very appreciative of any help we give. I'll collect his posts and then we can review them to see what needs to be done.  |
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advoca
Joined: 09 Oct 2003
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Location: Beijing
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Congratulations, Boy Rates. Your sudden burst into this forum with no other purpose than to destroy me has been completely successful. Well done.
Et tu, Bud. You have joined in and supported this vituperative attack. Thanks.
I shall bow out and never again participate in or contribute to this forum. |
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Boy Rates
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But Roy! Why do you interpret my help as an attempt to destroy you? All I've done has been to treat you as you've been treating others. Surely you were not attempting to destroy THEM?
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Boy Rates
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Advoca destroyed himself, Roy.
You can't blame me and you can't blame Bud. He tried to be your friend, but you wouldn't listen to him. Your friends warned you and even your "enemies" warned you, but you just wouldn't listen. Sadly, you were so consumed by your need to prove your superiority that you just went blindly on, destroying anything that stood in your way. It was inevitable that eventually you'd crash and burn and someone would have to get out the extinguisher before you took this whole place down with you.
But now that the fire's out, why not stay on and make a fresh start? You know - "up from the ashes"? You do have knowledge to share and if you can try to see your fellow human beings in a different light it might even make you a much happier man. I'm sure many here would admire you for your strength of character if you were to stay on.
As for Boy Rates - He'll stay away unless things get out of hand again. He's your teacher. No one wants to see you succeed more than he does and he's willing to give you a chance to try it on your own. If you put kindness before "being right" Boy Rates will be your biggest fan.
You're a fine writer Roy, and you can be a fine teacher too - if you're willing to learn from your colleagues. There are some real stars here. I'm sorry I didn't have time to meet more of them and I only know a few of their names: Lotus, Bob S., Iitimone7, LucentShade, Lorikeet, Philo Kevetch, Brian Boyd, and let's not forget Bud. (Apologies to those I haven't named. I'm sure there are many of you.)
So at least take some time to think about it before you make a final decision.
I'll be leaving now, but I'll stop back in once in a while to see how things are going.
Goodbye Roy Bates aka Advoca.
Fare thee well!
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| "I have so much affection for this forum, and it grows through time. I look out at the world and I see so much hatred, so much need. I look at my own country and I see so much venom spewed with no second thoughts whatsoever. It is great solace to embrace the little beauties that we have in our lives. For me, this is one of those little beauties. At its core, the forum is blessed with bright, extremely motivated students who ask so many challenging questions. Then come the teachers and native-speakers, who all share a love of the language and an eagerness to help others. To top it all off, we have Dave Sperling who gives us the tools to communicate. How can it get any better than that for those of us who like to hang out in here? A short time ago, Lotus wrote that this is the best English forum on the web. Since this is the only English site that I hang out in, I really had no idea. But it meant a lot to me to hear that. It made me feel proud that I play a small part in it. Or more accurately, it made me feel inspired. |
- Bud |
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