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Boy Rates
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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But Roy! Why do you interpret my help as an attempt to destroy you? All I've done has been to treat you as you've been treating others. Surely you were not attempting to destroy THEM?
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Boy Rates
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Advoca destroyed himself, Roy.
You can't blame me and you can't blame Bud. He tried to be your friend, but you wouldn't listen to him. Your friends warned you and even your "enemies" warned you, but you just wouldn't listen. Sadly, you were so consumed by your need to prove your superiority that you just went blindly on, destroying anything that stood in your way. It was inevitable that eventually you'd crash and burn and someone would have to get out the extinguisher before you took this whole place down with you.
But now that the fire's out, why not stay on and make a fresh start? You know - "up from the ashes"? You do have knowledge to share and if you can try to see your fellow human beings in a different light it might even make you a much happier man. I'm sure many here would admire you for your strength of character if you were to stay on.
As for Boy Rates - He'll stay away unless things get out of hand again. He's your teacher. No one wants to see you succeed more than he does and he's willing to give you a chance to try it on your own. If you put kindness before "being right" Boy Rates will be your biggest fan.
You're a fine writer Roy, and you can be a fine teacher too - if you're willing to learn from your colleagues. There are some real stars here. I'm sorry I didn't have time to meet more of them and I only know a few of their names: Lotus, Bob S., Iitimone7, LucentShade, Lorikeet, Philo Kevetch, Brian Boyd, and let's not forget Bud. (Apologies to those I haven't named. I'm sure there are many of you.)
So at least take some time to think about it before you make a final decision.
I'll be leaving now, but I'll stop back in once in a while to see how things are going.
Goodbye Roy Bates aka Advoca.
Fare thee well!
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- Brian Boyd
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I'm surrounded by teachers everyday, and believe me, they each have their own personality. But, the only personality that lasts is the one that believes teaching is a calling. Nobody gets rich by teaching. The happiest teachers are the ones who get satisfaction from knowing that they make a difference. Remember - when one enters a cause with good intentions - he/she enters cautiously, but is ready to exit quickly. |
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"I have so much affection for this forum, and it grows through time. I look out at the world and I see so much hatred, so much need. I look at my own country and I see so much venom spewed with no second thoughts whatsoever. It is great solace to embrace the little beauties that we have in our lives. For me, this is one of those little beauties. At its core, the forum is blessed with bright, extremely motivated students who ask so many challenging questions. Then come the teachers and native-speakers, who all share a love of the language and an eagerness to help others. To top it all off, we have Dave Sperling who gives us the tools to communicate. How can it get any better than that for those of us who like to hang out in here? A short time ago, Lotus wrote that this is the best English forum on the web. Since this is the only English site that I hang out in, I really had no idea. But it meant a lot to me to hear that. It made me feel proud that I play a small part in it. Or more accurately, it made me feel inspired. |
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bud
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 2111 Location: New Jersey, US
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your entry today, Boy Rates - especially for the mission with which you entered. I'll be sorry to see you go, but maybe you'll be here anyway under your normal nickname?
Advoca, I think I shared similar comments with you before about staying in here as Boy Rates did today. You obviously have intelligence and you obviously are well-educated. It is so sad to see you waste it on your overblown ego. I've seen you be intolerable, and then come back in here to give great answers in a respectful, supportive way. But soon your behavior degrades again. Thus, I am not so confident that you even have the ability to change. And thus, I think that I am not hoping for a reappearance.
Good luck to you - seriously. And for your information, I was not trying to destroy you; I was hoping to protect this wonderful forum. |
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obelix
Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 304
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Why doesn't everyone just loosen up and try laughing once in a while? |
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Boy Rates
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Why doesn't everyone just loosen up and try laughing once in a while? |
Hi Obelix,
It's good to see you.
There's no reason why that can't happen, now that the person who was using multiple identities to chase the joy out of every corner of this place is gone. Given the length of time the pervasive feeling of trepidation has been in the air, it may take a while for people to feel comfortable enough to start to relax and have fun. How about telling a joke to get things started?  |
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e123
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Cardiff, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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What a good idea. But let�s not relax. Let�s have some more fun. Why don�t you find another teacher you can criticise? That should keep us all amused for some time.
By the way, how many identities do you have? As Bud said, maybe you'll be here anyway under your normal nickname?
Meanwhile, congratulations on a job well done, Boy Rates. More please, more. |
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bud
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 2111 Location: New Jersey, US
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Advoca, I don't think you realize how much of what you write comes across as snide criticism. That'd probably be tolerable if it ended at that.
From what Boy Rates posted the other day, I understood that his attack was mainly inspired by your borderline abuse of a student, cloaked as legitimate teaching. In that, I wholeheartedly agree. It's not the first time that has happpend. It's not the second. It's not the third. Etc.
If not for that, I don't think I would have joined in, and I wonder if Boy would even have initiated it. It wasn't aimed at you, the person, it was aimed at your (at times) destructive posts to students.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
Peace! |
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e123
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Cardiff, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Dear Bud,
I note your message to Advoca, though I am surprised by your words when you say, �From what Boy Rates posted the other day, I understood that his attack was mainly inspired by your borderline abuse of a student, cloaked as legitimate teaching.� You got this impression from the unsupported words of boy rates! Wow!
I have been lurking this forum for more than a year, but I cannot recall any examples of abuse of a student by anybody. Advoca certainly showed irritation of some of Hela�s questions but this was not abuse of any sort.
And there is no evidence that I can see to justify the vehement statements by boy rates about advoca attempting to destroy any students by his corrections and comments.
Advoca certainly criticised someone posting under the name of timtom. Advoca did not like his use of slovenly English and the use of words such as *kinda.* Many teachers would agree with Advoca�s comments. I agree that advoca�s criticism was not phrased in diplomatic language, but it was not abusive nor was it an attempt to destroy him, not even a borderline attempt.
But none of these claims of abuse or attempts to destroy are supported by facts. These are only the publicly expressed opinions of two people, the mysterious and secretive boy rates (who is unquestionably abusive, and who clearly set out to drive out advoca) and you.
Meadowlark said, �The conduct of the teachers in this forum is as important, or perhaps even more important, than the answers given to the students� questions. Teachers here have an opportunity to teach much more than English. They have an opportunity to serve as role models. They have an opportunity to teach, through their own example, behaviors which exemplify the best of what it means to be men and women in today�s world. They have an opportunity to show young people that respect for others, good manners, tolerance, kindness and open-mindedness are traits worth emulating.�
It would be difficult to argue that boy rates is a shining example of a role model or shows much signs of respect for others, good manners, tolerance, kindness and open-mindedness.
But advoca sounds like a real ogre, cloaking his abuse as legitimate teaching. So, now that boy rates has achieved his goal and Advoca has gone we can all breathe again and sleep soundly in our beds. And Meadowlark has gone too. But boy rates still lurks in the background. How many more teachers are going to be driven out because he does not agree with their methods of teaching? And is the standard of teaching in this forum now being determined by a select self-appointed few? Are all teachers to be subjected to public criticism and comment?
Teachers, watch out! Boy rates is about!
You are a teacher, Bud, and I am sure that from time to time you might have had views on the way some of your colleagues teach. But would you criticise a colleague in front of the students? Do you think boy rates should have attacked so publicly and so vehemently? You can hardly describe his behaviour as good manners, tolerance, kindness and open-mindedness.
I am older than most of you who participate in this forum, probably more professionally qualified and possibly more experienced in working with teachers, and certainly I have seen much b i t c h i n e s s in the profession during my long career. But I have never before had the unhappy experience of a virulent attack on a colleague�s character expressed in front of students in comments appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect. There is only one word to describe it: shameful.
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bud
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 2111 Location: New Jersey, US
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Advoca, please note my post in the �story� thread. Maybe now the full meaning can be better understood. I certainly didn�t need Boy Rates to brainwash me.
What I saw was a curt, "This is wrong, This is wrong, You slippped up there, etc." Most of your points were either pedantic (for that level of English) or wrong (e.g., the blue lights). There was no honest attempt to find positive things to say. There was no attempt to show what he might do differently. Just, "Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I hope that helps!"
I guess we just have very different opinions on how to teach and what constitutes proper behavior to a student.
Peace!
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e123
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Cardiff, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Bud,
Do you have no comment to make on my post?
Joan Nelson. |
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bud
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 2111 Location: New Jersey, US
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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You know, it occurs to me sometimes that maybe you are a great teacher in the classroom. Maybe the other clues of communicating (facial expression, body language, intonation, etc.) are clear in person, and your words take on a very different intent. I don't know. I hope so, though, because otherwise it is a terrible waste of an extensive knowledge of the language! |
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asterix
Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think anyone is going to be driven out of this forum by a bit of criticism.
Meadowlark, who sounded as if she wrote policy for the National Union of Teachers (NUT), even called me, "babe", and although my heart sang like a meadowlark, I was able to rise above it.
Nowadays English grammar is in such a state of flux, apparently, that there is more than one correct answer to most questions, so I suppose we should all not take ourselves too seriously. |
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Boy Rates
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Shame on you Roy! Your deceitful posts show you have absolutely no respect for this forum.
Do you want to play rough? Maybe we should ask Dr. Techie what he thinks about Advoca:
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"If you present, as fact, unreliable information from a dubious source, you are going to catch some criticism for it around here, just as you did for the plagiarism in the "Naming" thread. There are vast numbers of sites on the Web where such intellectual slovenliness would pass without comment. This isn't one of them." |
http://p098.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm1.showNextMessage?topicID=13465.topic
That's just a tiny taste Roy. You've used multiple identities to attack our members and committed dozens of "sins" on other websites. Do you really want your dirty linen aired here?
Asterix unless you're yet another fake ID of Roy's I doubt you have any idea what's been going on here. IP addresses can be checked. Let us deal with this so we can move on. |
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asterix
Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Has it occurred to you that more than one person might use the same computer, Roy? Or Boy?
In any event, what does it matter if Advoca is using more than one handle? This is the internet. That's what people do.
I would be very surprised if the moderators had time to waste on such a pointless task as trying to see if any of the people on here were logging on from the same URL. They have too many complaints to handle as it is. |
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bud
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 2111 Location: New Jersey, US
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Has it occurred to you that more than one person might use the same computer, Roy? Or Boy? |
Good point! I think we've stumbled onto an entire colony of long-winded, self-promoting, bad-mannered control freaks.
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In any event, what does it matter if Advoca is using more than one handle? This is the internet. That's what people do. |
In any event, what does it matter if Boy Rates is criticizing Advoca for using more than one handle? This is the internet. That's what people do. |
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