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[james,hung]

I am sorry for posting the article before, somebody may not have seen the article. By the way, does anybody�s computer show Chinese or not? (Please leave a message)
This time, I will put in English. I think Taiwan and China (Mainland) both have no problems. The issue between ROC and PROC was from the Chinese Civil War, (due to a fight between democracy and communism). I think you must know Dr.Sun Yat-Sen who saved the last empire of China. He even had written the Constitution for China, called �The Principles of the People�. In this Constitution includes a democracy, liberties, and livelihood. But unfortunately, this wonderful Constitution is only being used in Taiwan now. I always see the international news about the Chinese Government putting someone in jail who had criticized anything

[Outofin]

Nice try. Stress on ideology, you'll get some supports... at least some sympathy.

[pugachevV]

He does have a point though.
A government imposed by force is not a legitimate government.

[Outofin]

Political form and morality don�t necessarily line up together. Many governments imposed by force are doing well and no one denies their legitimation. (Even those doing bad are acknowledged.) How about a leader who won by cheat, like the one who rules ROC now (at least half of population in Taiwan think so)? Well, I fully acknowledge his legitimation.

Bad guys are bad, no matter what form they take. Don't look at the ideology first and then take a side. It doesn't work well.