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"would that" + subjunctive

 
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hela



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: "would that" + subjunctive Reply with quote

Dear teachers,

Would you please explain this sturcture to me? What does "would that" mean exactly and why does it need the subjunctive?

My mother would know what to do. Oh, would that she WERE here with us now !

All the best,
Hela
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MrPedantic



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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Hela

1. Would that she WERE here with us now!

"Would that...!" is an ellipsis for "I would that...!". It expresses a wish, in the form of an ejaculation; it's the equivalent of "I wish that...!", or "If only...!".

The subjunctive in #1 expresses counterfactuality; it's the "were" that we find in:

2. If only she were here with us now, (the situation would be much better).

Bye
MrP
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hela



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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you MrP Very Happy
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LucentShade



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about hearing "would that" from native speakers in ordinary conversation -- it's an archaic expression used in formal speech and older literature, and most people will use the expressions that MrP mentioned, "I wish that..." or "If only..."
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MrPedantic



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes indeed. You would probably only hear it now in jocular use, or from an incorrigible drama queen.

MrP
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