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flying_pig319 · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 369

Why will blaming people do no good?
Blaming people FALSLEY will do no good, but blaming people directly (finding out where the problem has it's roots) will do a lot of good, I think.

Again, please do not say "I know your view very well" or whatever- do not group me. I have not grouped you for being Arab, I'm listening carefully to your thoughts, [as I think many Arabs are great people (just not the government)]. Please do the same for me.

ieltsinsider · Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 170

Let me state (again!) that my position on the Israeli-Palestinian issue is that each side is as bad as the other - though in different ways. To those of you who are arguing (or certainly appear to be arguing) that Israelis are just out to kill Palestinians, I would point out something. 10-15% of the Israeli population is Palestinian. They enjoy the same rights as Israeli citizens and, truth be told, are treated a LOT better by the Israelis than many of their brethen are treated by fellow Arabs in other Middle East countries.

If Israelis were just out to kill as many Palestinians as they could, they'd start by wiping out those hundreds of thousands living in Israel, right? So, who are all these people killing Palestinians? Palestinians and Arabs - that's who! And which person killed more Arabs in recent times than any other? Meyer? Sharon? Netenyahu? No! Saddam Hussein! An Arab!

asterix · Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654

Ms. Flying pig...I am suggesting that as 300 million arabs cannot beat the 5 million Israelis militarily, it might be a good idea to try a different approach.
This latest bloody insanity by Hizbollah in Lebanon was an act of war no matter which way you look at it.
Why does the world apply a different standard to Israel than it does to the Arabs?
Is it that old European anti-semitism rearing its ugly head under a chorus of mealy-mouthed self-righteousness, or is it because they think the Arabs are a backward people who don't understand civilized behaviour?

flying_pig319 · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 369

Eleniel · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 53

Eleniel · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 53

ieltsinsider · Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 170

Why does the Israeli government kill so many Palestinian children? Well, one reason is that Palestinian soldiers/terrorists/freedom fighters (depending on your point of view) surround themselves with children at their bases in an attempt to make themselves immune to attack and to make Israel look bad when children are killed.

Another reason is that some Palestinian children actively participate in military/terrorist/freedom fighter (depending on your point of view activities against Israel. Whether you view Israel's actions as right or wrong, you are being really stupid if you think that Israel will just sit there and allow Israeli citizens to be killed.

Why won't Israel make a swap of the soldier for prisoners? Because the Israeli government is pig-headed.

1wisemonkee · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 1

This blame game has to stop if any progress is ever to be made. I absolutely can't accept that any side of this conflict has the moral high ground.
When Israel was created in 1947 it was always the intention to also create a Palestinian state. I can't believe it's 2006 and this hasn't happened. There can be no chance of peace until this does happen.
And The breaching of UN resolutions in 1967(?) by occupying arab territories - building settlements etc is stupidity of disastrous proportions.
Why is it alright for Israel to breach UN resolutions but not Iraq?
I'm English - I have no bias towards one side or the other, but it just seems to me that, regardless of how justified Israel feels in it's foreign policy it brings misery upon itself by refusing to understand it enemies.
I travelled in Lebanon, Syria and Libya not long after 9/11. I wondered if I would get a hostile reception as an Englishman. I didn't. Most people want to get on with their lives and live in peace with their neighbours.
I know young Israeli and young arabic people who are sick of the whole thing. Why is it that the people in Israel and Lebanon don't vote for leaders who genuinely want to build bridges? There are some insane people with power and influence in both communitites and it's time the reasonable people stood up to them.

flying_pig319 · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 369

Hey, let's be polite about things.
The Israeli government is by NO means doing the majority of the killing innocent children etc.
Look up some statistics, people.
It's pretty simple.

flying_pig319 · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 369

asterix · Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654

I am interested to know, once again, why it is always the Israelis who are blamed for the deaths of children, which, in the case of the IDF, are always accidental, whereas every bleeding heart liberal in the world falls over himself trying to make ever more pathetic excuses for the terrorists of Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah and Bin ladin's crowd, who DELIBERATELY target children, women and other civilians, as a means to achieving their political aims?

Trying to appease homicidal maniacs is a complete waste of time. The only thing they respect is force.

Britain tried to appease Hitler, and look where that led.

flying_pig319 · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 369

ieltsinsider · Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 170

C'mon guys - blaming Israel is easy - that's why!

How many Jewish countries are there in the world? And how many Muslim?

Which side is portrayed as having loads of money and which side is portrayed as being poor?

Which side is supported by the US?

Blame Israel! (Perhaps this could be a new song, sung to the tune of South Park's 'Blame Canada!'

flying_pig319 · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 369

HiPhOpEr · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 86