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simplyblessedwithlove
Joined: 23 Apr 2004
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| BourneNOIR wrote: |
| Mandy Wang wrote: |
 I am a Chinese.I love my country and of course I believe there is only one China.But Taiwan is not weak.we are a family.We will never be apart. |
You love your country... does that mean you love Communism too? Do you think you have all the freedom you can enjoy under a Communist government? Have you experienced Democracy in places like Taiwan, United States, and many countries in western Europe? Why do people like you keep wanting to force Democratic Taiwan to fall under Communist rule? |
They said it's because Taiwanese are Chinese; all Chinese are siblings; siblings can't be apart. I wonder if this also means Americans should go back to be under British system and be children of that old, boring Queen of theirs? 
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: interesting |
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I haven't gone though all 18 pages of this post, so forgive me if I make a point that has already been made.
Did anyone notice the reasoning behind the OP's statement about why Taiwan is a part of China? "You write in Chinese, you speak Chinese, you look Chinese", etc. Wow! Talk about an expansionist Chinese policy! According to that logic, Singapore is also part of China!
The fact is that no country recognises Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan hasn't even declared itself independent. Therefore, Taiwan is still a part of China.
The fun starts if Taiwan declares independence. I hope they do it just before the Olympics in 2008 or the APEC summit in Shanghai in 2010. China won't be able to do a thing.
Final point. Why does Taiwan have to reunify under a Communist Chinese system. Why can't they get together under Taiwan's system? |
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BourneNOIR
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Re: interesting |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| The fact is that no country recognises Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan hasn't even declared itself independent. Therefore, Taiwan is still a part of China. |
Actually, yes, there are still a few countries left that recognizes Taiwan as the "Republic of China". Both ROC and PRC means "China" but ROC = Democracy since 1911, and PRC = Communism since 1949. Taiwan probably just need something more potent to end this ambiguity.
| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| The fun starts if Taiwan declares independence. I hope they do it just before the Olympics in 2008 or the APEC summit in Shanghai in 2010. China won't be able to do a thing. |
Yeah, i guess it kind of works both ways, meaning that once PRC no longer cares about its international image Taiwan and its Democracy would be in jeopardy.
| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| Final point. Why does Taiwan have to reunify under a Communist Chinese system. Why can't they get together under Taiwan's system? |
My thoughts exactly. Why force Taiwan to go backward when PRC can move forwards in terms of Democracy? |
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alexander.Lee
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Sichuan,China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:06 am Post subject: Re: interesting |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
The fun starts if Taiwan declares independence. I hope they do it just before the Olympics in 2008 or the APEC summit in Shanghai in 2010. China won't be able to do a thing. |
Well ,I am a resident of People's Republic of China .I dont go through 18 pages,so forgive me if I said somethine others had said.
I have to say who knows a communitism country won't do something crazy if it is under control of only one party and one presedent?.I am worried about what PRC will do If TW declares its independence.I considerd TW is a very good country and why should it must be controled by Mainland.But,may be many chinese people agree with me ,but we dont have rights to vote to stope the goveroment from doing something crazy.So ,please,dont do something stupid ,OK?No one like those sentents in both China and Taiwan.[/b] |
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alexander.Lee
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Sichuan,China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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I dont mean that TW should not declear its independence.Actully I hope TW will be another US as it gein its independence from UK .But I do not like to see wars.You can find some other options .I cannot give any advise on the options ,but I wish you-another Smart group of Chinese have. |
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alexander.Lee
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Sichuan,China
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The most probable reason for PRC want TW
Well,Just from the PRC side,it is very importan to have TW under its control especially under its force control.Becaous TW is a very very important point related to the safty of southeast of china----whice is also the most developed place of China .TW is out of PLA's control then Southeast of China is not safe.I am very sorry to find out that reason,beacuse it is so coldblooded.It means use Taiwan as the frontline....If it is one of the real purposes.
I hate to talk about this topic any more.[/b] |
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BourneNOIR
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: Re: interesting |
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| alexander.Lee wrote: |
Well ,I am a resident of People's Republic of China .I dont go through 18 pages,so forgive me if I said somethine others had said.
I have to say who knows a communitism country won't do something crazy if it is under control of only one party and one presedent?.I am worried about what PRC will do If TW declares its independence.I considerd TW is a very good country and why should it must be controled by Mainland.But,may be many chinese people agree with me ,but we dont have rights to vote to stope the goveroment from doing something crazy.So ,please,dont do something stupid ,OK?No one like those sentents in both China and Taiwan.[/b] |
alexander.Lee, thank you, thank you for being the first mainlander I meet on this forum that has presented your response in a rational manner! You're absolutely right, without much democratic intervention in government affairs, it is very dangerous for Taiwan to do anything drastic. Like you said, neither side really wants to have a war. What's best for now is "status quo". Taiwan tries to survive by using its political ambiguity. However, PRC right now is obstructing Taiwan from participating in international affairs. Such obstacle and pressure is forcing Taiwan to reconsider its "status quo", either to unify or to separate. If PRC just back off its pressure a little then Taiwan has no reason to change the "status quo". But then again, mainlanders have no voting rights to make the Communist government change its policy towards Taiwan.
| alexander.Lee wrote: |
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I dont mean that TW should not declear its independence.Actully I hope TW will be another US as it gein its independence from UK .But I do not like to see wars.You can find some other options .I cannot give any advise on the options ,but I wish you-another Smart group of Chinese have. |
Yes, wars are horrible. Hopefully there'll be a more peaceful resolution regarding independence. Then again, Taiwan is practically independent since no other government controls it and it has its own currency, government, constitutions, flag, anthem, etc. It just needs a formal/official recognition by the international community without the threat of PRC. Just look at how East and West Germany finally united under a democratic government. North and South Korea are both Koreans, but they're separate countries because one is Communist Dictatorship and the other is Democracy. Taiwan and China is in a similar situation. Taiwan just wants to exist as a Democratic entity separate from the rule of the Communist government without being pressured by the PRC.
| alexander.Lee wrote: |
The most probable reason for PRC want TW
Well,Just from the PRC side,it is very importan to have TW under its control especially under its force control.Becaous TW is a very very important point related to the safty of southeast of china----whice is also the most developed place of China .TW is out of PLA's control then Southeast of China is not safe.I am very sorry to find out that reason,beacuse it is so coldblooded.It means use Taiwan as the frontline....If it is one of the real purposes.
I hate to talk about this topic any more. |
Finally! Someone from mainland who would consider a different reason for unification other than "we're blood brothers." Yes, Taiwan has a high strategic value in terms of military and economy. Yes, Taiwan's separation will cause PRC to lose significant control in the region, and that's very understandable. Maybe some treaty could be signed if declaring independence to form an alliance or military policy assuring the security of the region or something, but if the Communist is being forceful and not rational, it's going to be difficult. Anyways, thanks for your input and good luck to you and the rest of the mainlanders in moving towards democracy. |
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