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[james2006]

China is a geat country in the world, Chinese economy is developin faster than before, Chinese people' life have a Greatly improved, but many western country people said that Chinese people have no right. I think that their ideas are wrong. People live in China feel happy. In the future Chian will become more richer and stronger.
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[ltp-008]

About Chinese culture,I know a few,since 1979 China has begun to practise free-economy refrom from its planning economy which center government planned everything from small commonities to industrial products.Due to this reform,China economy has grown rapidly,but most important industries such as fuels,banking and electric power were still controlled by the state-run companies.Indeed Chinese lives have improved a lot comparing the past Mao time.

But China has 1.3billions people ,not all of them enjoy the economic growth.There are a lot unemploymets who live in poverty.China has nearly nine hundred millions of farmers who don't enjoy china 's prosperity.

If you think you are happy in china,you have the right to say it.Could I ask you a few questions?

Do you have the right to electe your country's leader?

Do you have the right to freely worship your beliefs?

Do you have the right to assembly ?

Do you have the right to access to media which were not controlled by the government?

Do you have the right to publicly criticized your government ?

In fact,in some extent China has gotten some progress,but it is still not enough comparing the right which most westerners enjoy.I don't know how long it will take for China to become free and democratic country which their people really enjoy their freedom of election,freedom of press and freedom of religion.

[Delia Gao]

as a Chinese,I'm so moving,because you are so care about chinese free and rights.yes,I agree that there are still many prombles of china,both in government and economy.of cause we need to improve.To learn the advantages from western countries is necessary.
However,everthing in the world must have a process to improve,it need stretch.It is just the beginning of chinese development.as far as I know,chinese government has already taken measures to improve farmers' lives and protect their rights.include to abolish the agricultura tax ...I couldn't express those because of my poor English.of cause there are still some people struggle for food and clothes in china,but there are some in any other countries ,too.I believe that the number of those people would be less and less.
do you think your country or USA(if you're not an American) is perfect,the best in the world?only because you have the right to publicly criticized your government?and you have the right to electe your country's leader even if you don't know him at all?or only know him from his speech and media?maybe the one whom has spent more money on the election would be success.

[zhaoyaya2006may]

exactly,china have to much problems
the chinese is worring about it everyday

there is a word <developing>in the dicocinory
china is developing
just as all other countries in the world
so
there must be a lot of difficuties maybe not happend in your county
but ,that will not be foever
we will have the rights in the next 20years
we will have the rights to view the diffrent news from all over the world
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[sinodragon21]

hey,hey,do you familiar with Chinese Culture?
Can anyone say their County has a larger population than China?
Can anyone say their nation has a longer history than Chinese?
Our Country's population is so large that the leader of any other Country
can't manage it pretty well.
Our nation's history is longer than most nations of the world,it has affect the Asian Countries deeply!
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[ieltsinsider]

In response to sinodragon21 and Delia Gao:

China certainly has the largest population in the world, but boast while you can - India is catching up. Anyway, what's the big deal about having a large population?

Many nations have longer histories than China.

If your country is too big for any leader to manage it well, why not split it up? Start with Taiwan, Tibet, Guangdong, and Xinjiang.

There are many countries that have shaped Asian history - some of them not even Asian countries. China has actually had less of an influence than you would expect, because it chose to remain isolated for so long.

Most Westerners don't consider their countries to be the best in the world, or perfect - we just think that if people have a real say in their government, it is better.

Constructive criticism of a government is a good thing - everyone can improve.

The political party that spends the most on elections isn't always the one that wins. A common mistake.

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[Delia Gao]

I agree with you,beancurdturtle.

[beancurdturtle]

[ClarissaMach]

I'm not taking sides on this discussion. It's just that some of the ideas discussed really catched my attention.

Do you think that the right of publicly criticizing political leaders and the right of voting are synonyms of democracy and progress in a country?

I'm just asking because I try to understand where us, Brazilians, went wrong.

We have the right to vote (actually, we ARE OBLIGED to vote), and our election's system is even considered superior to the system of much stronger democracies. Here in Brazil, a leader is elected according to the number of direct individual votes he/she receives, what prevents, for example, that disproportionate voting power be given to different states.

We also have the right of criticizing our leaders as much as we want. Humorists make jokes with the president every now and then. Recently, one of these humorists, who usually mimiced our president, has passed away; the president publicly said he himself felt sorry for the man! We're very tolerant, even when it comes to criticism.

The point is that nothing comes out of it; things do not work just because we can vote and criticize. Brazilians aren't living better than Chineses, for example. We have the so called tools for democracy, but still we're not what one would call a strong democracy; our critics do not solve any problem. Most of the population is still living in really poor conditions.

People talk so much about the right of voting and criticizing; it's surely very important, but it's not enough. And I keep asking myself: what are we, Brazilians, doing wrong?
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[sinodragon21]

In response to ieltsinsider:
Some of your words maybe right,but please don't say the words such as "seperate or isolate", especially Taiwan and Tibet. Thank you very much. Our County is integrated and can't be seperated.
You are a good guy with deep insight.
I've leave a personal message to you ,please check it.
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[ieltsinsider]

sinodragon - You're welcome to your opinion on China remaining one country. The fact is that a lot of people disagree with you and asking them not to express their opinions is restricting freedom of speech. My comment was that if China is too big for a leader/government to handle, then why is splitting it up a bad idea. You haven't answered that question. I didn't actually say that I thought China should be split.

sinodragon wrote: "Our country is integrated and can't be seperated." As a Chinese person, you really should know more about your country's history. you'll see that China has rarely been integrated over its 5000 year history.

Off to check that pm now.

[ieltsinsider]

In reply to your pm, no.

[RedRose]