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[Outofin]

The voilence in Iraq is increasing. Compared to Sadam regime, do you think the country now is a better place to Iraqis? Bush believes so. Sadam is gone and people can vote, so Iraq is now a better place. Definitely good to him, but is it good to Iraqis? Now the whole system stopped working. People don't even have the safety of life.

[ieltsinsider]

In answer to your main question, I'd say it depends on which part of Iraq you live in. In the Kurdish north, things are better. In the Shia south, things are possibly a little better. In the Sunni centre, things are certainly worse.

[BourneNOIR]

This is one problem with the world, the conflict between culture, history, and political ideology. While in general democracy is a good thing, it just sometimes does not mix with the culture of the region, e.g. Iraq. Democracy requires equal rights to everyone regardless of race, religion, gender, etc. and also the separation of "Church" and "State". I mean, although it is a good intention of trying to transform Iraq into a democratic state for the benefit of the Iraqis, its culture has a high resistance to such transformation due to the heavy emphasis on religion. A model that looks good in one example might not work in others; people just forget to look at the differentiating factors.

In short, the American injected democracy might not work in the short run, but hopefully, it'll spark interest in the population that will allow the Iraqis to form their own version democracy, at least a government much better than Saddam Hussein's regime.

[asterix]

Having found the Americans difficult to kill, the terrorists are now killing their fellow Muslims in Iraq.
Obviously they don't believe in their own religion, but even so, you will find few muslims condemning them.
I think Iraq will eventually be a better place to live, but Iran will have to be dealt with before that happens.

[ltp-008]

The world without Saddam is better off,now Iraq has had elected government for more than six monthes,democracy needs patient,freedom is not free,in the long run Iraq will be peaceful ,prosperous country which they can defend itself,sustain itself.

Malike government has made a significant progress in Iraq such as education recovery,reduction of violences and economic recovery, when a country is transformed from tyranny into democracy,it needs time for their people to adjust,Iraq had been in dictatorship for more than three decades,the sudden-coming democracy in Iraq has to be digested through a certain periond of time.

[Outofin]

[ieltsinsider]

Oh, the Iraqi and foreign insurgents are certainly finding it harder to kill trained American soldiers than to kill innocent Iraqi civilians. No doubt about that. And besides, American soldiers have an annoying tendency to shoot back, whereas Iraqi civilians don't.

[asterix]

The Americans have conquered a nation of 20 million for the loss of around 2500 soldiers.
That's an unbelievably successful war.
You should take a look at the casualties they suffered in Vietnam, Korea, etc.

[Anuradha Chepur]

[asterix]

Somebody has to do it.
George Bush is not the Great Satan, no matter what the popular wisdom says. He is a decent man trying to do a difficult job.

[Anuradha Chepur]

But the somebody has to be somebody other than Bush himself.

OK, I guess we should have some pro views too to counter the adamant anti views, so that we can get closer to the truth.

[ltp-008]

[CP]

Asterix said:

"Obviously they don't believe in their own religion, but even so, you will find few muslims condemning them."

I guess it's politically incorrect to ask the question, but it occurs to me all the time, too: Why is it that the followers of Islam do not condemn the murder of Muslims by Muslims?

If American Presbyterians and Baptists were pulling each other out of cars and shooting them dead for their beliefs, I'm pretty sure somebody would say, "Hey, that's wrong. That's against the Bible, not to mention against the law and incredibly stupid."
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[Outofin]

[CP]

Outofin,

Are you saying that the Koran permits Muslims of one sect to kill those of any other sect?

Are you Muslim?
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