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BourneNOIR
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| Whether or not this thread is boring is irrelevent to me and I don't mind RR posting her opinion. Although it does kinda bump this thread to the top... |
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simplyblessedwithlove
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Finally someone is willing to at least stop and think. Alexander really impressed me (and I'm not being sarcastic).
Now onto the issue. The security breach theory could very much be the reason. As we all know both China and the US have marked each other as a potential enemy. That's quite understandable really. They are the only two entities on this world that have enough resource, military strength and influence to be of any significant threat to each other. Having North Korea over there constantly test firing Chinese supplied missiles doesn't help any, either. So part of the US plan to project a remote control over eastern Asia is to set up a missile defense line (TMD anyone?) in the pacific that consists primarily of Japan, South Korea and possibiliy Taiwan. Now Japan and South Korea are pretty much out of reach for the Chinese to stop the TMD or any other military deployment for that matter. The only hole left is Taiwan, and China might as well grab this chance to keep the hole open or make it even bigger.
How? Well, I've explained this a long time ago (probably 10 pages back or even in another thread). Basically, controlling Taiwan means controlling the access to the coastal trade routes running from southeast Asia all the way up to Yellow Sea . Unfortunately, both South Korea and Japan lack natural resources. They need the trade routes for their industries to survive. Whoever that controls the trade routes then, will have a lot of say in whatever decision they make. When the Chinese takes over, a total collapse of the pacific defense line would most likely ensue.
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The Pacific Islands area is controled by Indonesia and the Phillipines. I don't know about Indonesia, but the Philippines has been on the U.S side, hasn't it? So, if Mainland China would get Taiwan, it would be the military base to defend against the Philippines, or in other words, the U.S to stop invading the East Asia also??? 
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KHF
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Location: ON, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| simplyblessedwithlove wrote: |
The Pacific Islands area is controled by Indonesia and the Phillipines. I don't know about Indonesia, but the Philippines has been on the U.S side, hasn't it? So, if Mainland China would get Taiwan, it would be the military base to defend against the Philippines, or in other words, the U.S to stop invading the East Asia also??? |
When I mentioned the pacific defense line I wasn't referring to the pacific islands. It's a vision by the US to create a military buffer zone near south eastern China. Two of the most prominent participants are Japan and South Korea, though it makes perfect sense if Phillippines is "in on it" as well. Taiwan is important in this because of its geographic location. If China gains a foothold on Taiwan it effectively destroys the whole idea of the defense line. You can't "buffer" any military advance when the door is wide open. |
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simplyblessedwithlove
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| simplyblessedwithlove wrote: |
The Pacific Islands area is controled by Indonesia and the Phillipines. I don't know about Indonesia, but the Philippines has been on the U.S side, hasn't it? So, if Mainland China would get Taiwan, it would be the military base to defend against the Philippines, or in other words, the U.S to stop invading the East Asia also??? |
When I mentioned the pacific defense line I wasn't referring to the pacific islands. It's a vision by the US to create a military buffer zone near south eastern China. Two of the most prominent participants are Japan and South Korea, though it makes perfect sense if Phillippines is "in on it" as well. Taiwan is important in this because of its geographic location. If China gains a foothold on Taiwan it effectively destroys the whole idea of the defense line. You can't "buffer" any military advance when the door is wide open. |
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this. Not good with military phrases, ya know. 
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KHF
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I simply meant that in the hypothetical scenario where China controls Taiwan and decides to invade the US via the pacific ocean, even if South Korea and Japan interfere, it will be of little consequences. China can simply use Taiwan as a launching pad, bypassing any land based defense in the vicinity. |
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simplyblessedwithlove
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. Might this be the same reason why Mainland China has been trying to get the South China Sea Islands in their total control?
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: south china sea |
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| Yes, plus possible oil reserves and just the prestige of getting it. |
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simplyblessedwithlove
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: south china sea |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| Yes, plus possible oil reserves and just the prestige of getting it. |
 This I didn't know.
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: none |
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| To be fair, that's the motivation for the other countries too (Vietnam, Philippines), not only China. |
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simplyblessedwithlove
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: none |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| To be fair, that's the motivation for the other countries too (Vietnam, Philippines), not only China. |
With different purposes and motives, though.
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:20 am Post subject: none |
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| Neatly put, simplyblessedwith love. |
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