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[faay]

Do women are happy with that or they can do anything about. Do their religon forbiden or the goverment. Do they have right to do anything they want.

[technomaniac_tzp]

YES.Just one word is enough
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[eda]

YES
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[ieltsinsider]

As fro the right to vote, the answer is yes (thuogh I'm not entirely sure about Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States). Your other question was do Muslim women have the right to do anything. If you mean the same rights as men, the answer is no, except in the most liberal Muslim countries or non-Muslim countries.

[hani]

yes they can do 2 many things even fighting
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[yan0515]

I am approved in your opinion There are many women who do not have

a right all over the world For instance,a number of girls can not go

to elementry school under the destitution countries .The headcount is

less than boys.Therefore,it couses increasing mother without the proper

knowledge,so porverty will turn even more grave I want to appeal

to importance of the women's education!!!!!!

The woman has grasped the future

[ieltsinsider]

I agree with yan1505.
Repression of women is one of the main reasons for poverty in the world today. It has been proven that when women are given equal rights and educated, society is better.

[loulou79]

there are plenty of Islamic website on the internet about womens right in Islam

please note that there is A BIG difference between Ismal and the constitution of any Muslim or Arab country!!please do not associate bin laden and taleban and all the other terroriests with the teaching of Islam.

about voting, you must me kidding!! if there is an election in our countries the president will win with 99,9%. we have been making jokes of it but can not do anything about it.

omen's liberation through Islam
6/30/2004 1:05:00 PM GMT
Islam was the most revolutionary liberalization of women's rights the civilized world has ever seen.

Unlike feminism movements, women's liberation in Islam wasn't started by women but was revealed by Allah to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in the seventh century. The Qur'an and the Hadith or Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) are the sources from which every Muslim woman derives her rights, responsibilities and duties.

Men and women are equaled in front of Allah; this is in terms of worshiping, obeying, and glorifying Him. Nevertheless they're equally punished when committing any sin. For instance when committing adultery, the man and the woman share the same punishment.

Allah says in the Qur�an:

"O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord who created you from a single soul and from it its mate and from them both have spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in whom you claim (your rights) of one another, and towards the wombs (that bore you)! Allah has been a Watcher over you." Qur'an (4:1)

Since men and women both came from the same essence, they are equal regarding their human rights. Women cannot be considered evil by nature (as some people may think) or then men would be evil also. Similarly, neither gender can be superior because it would be a contradiction of equality.

Islam also granted women many civil rights; a Muslim woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on recognition of her individual personality. First, she is free to choose her religion. The Qur'an states:

"There is no compulsion in religion. Right has been made distinct from error."Qur'an (2:256)

In Islam, women's role is balanced but fair. She has been removed from the burden of supporting herself. Instead men take this responsibility, a woman's father and or brother and even the government, if the other two are not available a responsible to take care of the woman and support her financially. If she does not want to work, she does not have to. She has the freedom to decide to stay at home and spend her time raising her children and tending to her family, social and religious life. However, if she wants to work, she is not forbidden to do so. Actually Islam has encouraged the woman to educate herself and to know Allah and know her duties, so that she can educate her children. She is discouraged from leaving her children without guidance and example. Moreover she is given the most honorable and important job in the universe, she is more encouraged to be a mother.

Muslim women have the right to choose their husbands and keep their names after marriage. Islam also encourages women to contribute their opinions and ideas; there are many examples of women who offered their opinions concerning religion, economics and social matters to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Also, a Muslim woman�s testimony is valid in legal disputes.

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:

"Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male and female)."

This includes learning the Qur'an and the Hadith as well gaining knowledge in science and many other fields. Since both men and women have the capacity for learning and understanding, Muslim women must acquire the appropriate education in order to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life.

While maintenance of a home, supporting husbands, breading and teaching children are regarded as the priorities for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside her house for the good of the family, then she may do so as long as she doesn't ignore her main family duties.

Moreover Islam gives high respect to motherhood, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:

"Heaven lies under the feet of mothers."

This implies that the success of a society is traced to good mothers. Therefore, a woman must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.

Fourteen hundred years ago, Islam started giving women the right to vote .On any public matter; Muslim women may vote their opinion and participate in politics. This established the right of women to select their leader and publicly declare so.

For example, Abdurrahman Ibn Auf consulted many women before he recommended Othman Ibn Affan to be the Caliph.

While guardianship and greater financial responsibility is given to men in Islam, a Muslim woman has the privilege to earn money, the right to own property, to enter into legal contracts and to manage all of her assets in any way she pleases. She can run her own business and no one has any claim on her earnings including her husband.

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:

"And in no wise covet those things in which Allah hath bestowed His gifts more freely on some of you than on others; to men is allotted what they earn, and to women, what they earn; but ask Allah of His bounty, for Allah hath full knowledge of all things." Qur'an (4:32)

Islam liberated women by giving them rights and duties 1400 years ago that most women do not enjoy up till now, even in the West. These duties and rights were given by Allah and are designed to keep balance in society; what may seem unjust or missing in one place is compensated for or explained in another place because Islam as is a complete way of life.

Allah says:

"And it not of a believing man or a women, when Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) have declared a matter, for them to have any choice in that matter. And anyone who disobeys God and His Messenger has indeed gone astray into open error." Qur'an (33:36



omen in Islam
4/26/2004 9:15:00 PM GMT

There is little point in discussing how well or badly so called
'Islamic countries' are living up to the teachings of Islam, or why. First it is
necessary to clear up misunderstandings of what those teachings are.



Women are equal to men in the sight of God but they have in some respects
different roles in life to men because of their different natures.



They differ psychologically, physiologically, and biologically from men. This
makes them more suitable than men for certain responsibilities and less suitable
than men for others.



Islam recognizes these differences.



Oppression of women is the result of removing their rights. Islam gives men &
women rights that are different in some aspects to those they have in the
western world. The principle difference in the way these rights came about is
also important.

In the West rights became part of the law only after women had
been through great political struggles and also partly due to the necessity of
women working in factories during wars. It is possible that this will be
reversed in the future.

In Islam, rights were given 'out of the blue' by God through
revelation. They cannot be reversed by anyone's decision. Most Muslims recognize
the purity and validity of the Qur'anic laws even if they are not following
them, but it may be necessary to struggle for a return to them from time to
time. It is quite commonly agreed that all things in life which are worthwhile
require some struggle.



There is considerable overlap of rights that now exist in the Western world and
those which Muslim women have always had (at least in principle if not in
practice). This link may give some examples:



In a truly Islamic society women have the following rights in Islam:


* The right and duty to obtain education.

* The right to have their own independent property.

* The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.

* Equality of reward for equal deeds.

* The right to participate fully in public life and have their voices heard
by those in power.

* The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.

* The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.

* The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she
simply can't stand him.

* The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to for
spending on the upkeep of the house or any persons).

* The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.

[sam12]

You got to go to a muslim country and see it for yourself.
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[CP]

Let's take Saudi Arabia as an example. It has 27 million people, of which a little under 50% are women, so call it 13 million women. It is 100% Muslim. Everyone speaks Arabic, the language of the Koran, I believe.

Saudi Arabia's constitution and legal system are governed according to Shari'a law. It is a kingdom that has oil, oil, and oil.

All men citizens of 21 years of age or older can vote. Zero women can vote. None.

About 85% of the men and 71% of the women (15 or older) are literate.

Someone who worked in Saudi Arabia for a long time told me that women there cannot drive, either. I asked him why. His answer: "Would you allow your dog to drive your car?"

No answer needed to a question like that. It says a lot about the country.

Now, is there some flaw in the King of Saudi Arabia that he would defy the Koran and the law of Islam, as described by Loulou, so as to suppress women? Why does this land of 27 million deny the right to vote to its 100% Muslim women?

Are the Muslims of the world crying out for Saudi Arabia to follow the Koran?
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[bigOz]

When Quran was written and when prophet Mohammed spoke of God's words, there was no democracy or democratic elections in the World. So it is really foolish of anyone muslim or not to try and work out if it has anything to do with the religion.

Any rights women were given in a Muslim country depended on the kind of rulers they had at the time. If it was a deeply religious leadership, as in many muslim states run by such tyrants, they gave no rights to women claiming it to be part of the religious requirements, which of course is total nonsense! It is just another manupilation of the religious beliefs to lead people like a flock of sheep.

Turkey is a muslim state with 98% of the population (the last I heard of - it may have changed) with probably the most number of mosques per head in the region. There is however complete freedom of religion and how people can practise it. Synagogues, Greek Orthodox and other Christian Churches co exist especially in Istanbul, with no animosity or violence against their naturalised Turkish followers.

With regards to voting for women, eversince the declaration of democratic state after the fall of Ottoman Empire, women had equal rights with men in evrything. One of the first women fighter pilots was in fact in Turkey during the 1920's. They had a female prime minister elected 15 years ago, and women in Turkey play an important part in the parliment and all areas of industrial & business developments. University education is granted on academic achievements rather rathan gender.

To go back to the original question, it is not the correct one - so I believe!
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[Mitchy]

Turkey is the sole exception of the subject. It would be foolish to say that Turkey is a democratic and totally secular state but in the first half of 1900's, Turkey's governing class spent most of their time fighting Islamic institutions and the country went through a throughout recreation program in social life and the clearance of Islam from politics was one of the ultimate goals of the program. So, exceptions can not make good examples. And about that %98 Muslim thingy... You know, statistics is originally called "politic arithmetics" for a reason...

[bigOz]