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Can anyone explain how to pronounce "th"?

 
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erik19283



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject: Can anyone explain how to pronounce "th"? Reply with quote

Hi,

How do you produce the different "th" sounds?

1- How do you make "th" for this, that, the, them, then, ....
2- How do you make "th" for thank, think, python (was reading about snakes!), ....

Where do you put your tongue in or out of your mouth?

Do you know of any web site with video explanation?

Any help is welcome. No matter how little it would seem to you; it's a lot to me.
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asterix



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open your teeth about 5mm, put the tip of your tongue in that small space and blow air out briefly. (about 1/5th of a second)
If you do this and make an "uh" sound you will have said, "the".
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CP



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the "soft" "th" sound is voiced: You make a sound when saying the "th" in "This, that, and the other."

The "hard" one is not voiced: No sound when saying the "th" in "Think, Thelonius, think!" And more air is forced out.
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Lorikeet



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd also suggest looking in a mirror when you try to make the sound. It's not necessary (and even looks very strange!) to put your tongue way out of your mouth. It's just a little tip that is exposed.
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lotus



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi erik19283,

Try this site:
http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetics/english/frameset.html

Select consonants, manner, fricative. Then select the symbols that look like theta and sigma (second row). They are the two sounds for "th."


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CP



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right to try to learn this difficult sound. Some people give up and just make the "d / t" or the "f / v" or the "s / z" sound instead of "th," but it never sounds right:

"Dat's what I taught" for "That's what I thought."

"Fanks for nuffing" instead of "Thanks for nothing."

"I sink zat is zuh sing I need" in place of "I think that is the thing I need."
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ClarissaMach



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lotus,

the website you posted is really great!


CP,

You're totally right! Brazilians tend to say things like "dat". Laughing I've been trying to correct my self repeating this dumb sentence: "the book is on the table" instead of "de book is on de table".

By the way, this "th" thing reminds me of that 1930's German movie "Der blaue engel", stared by Marlene Dietrich. There is a scene in which the professor tries to teach the boy how to pronounce the "th" sound. It's hilarious!
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lotus



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Clarissa,

Americans do the same in formal and informal speech.

It's the (de) best.

It's the (de) bomb!

Careful speakers will always use proper pronunciation.


How about Steve Martin and "hamburger" in The Pink Panther!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lotus wrote:
Hi Clarissa,

Americans do the same in formal and informal speech.

It's the (de) best.

It's the (de) bomb!

Careful speakers will always use proper pronunciation.


How about Steve Martin and "hamburger" in The Pink Panther!


--lotus


Oh! That's why sometimes, when I'm listening to people talking in English on TV, I have the feeling they're not saying "the" but "de". I used to think it was a problem with my "ears" ("wow, my brain is so accustomed to believing it's "d" instead of "th" that I can't see the difference when they're talking"). Now I understand why it happens! Thanks a lot, Lotus.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for you help!
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