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I am Christian
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 Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: Laicist culture |
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American and european culture is a laicist culture as their governments say.
They also say that this culture is a christian culture!
Zapatero is one their example...
What's your opinion about? |
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Edoardo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| I am Christian wrote: |
American and european culture is a laicist culture as their governments say.
They also say that this culture is a christian culture!
Zapatero is one their example...
What's your opinion about? |
First of all, I suggest you to read, in the Current News, the topics really worth to argue about religion, isn't it childish? and Islam's fanatics VS the Pope, you'll find some pretty conclusions I think.
I believe laicism to be one of our biggest cultural conquests.
The gratness and the importance of laicism is this: only with the absence of religious interference in government affairs, religion cannot be instrumentalized, and therefore laws are written with the use of only reason.
The matter is that laicism, western laicism, has a very deep and strong Christian root, and this is undeniable: Jesus himself preaches tolerance among religions in the Gospels... |
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Bob S.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| What is Laicism, and how is that different from Secularism? |
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I am Christian
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Edoardo wrote: |
I believe laicism to be one of our biggest cultural conquests.
The gratness and the importance of laicism is this: only with the absence of religious interference in government affairs, religion cannot be instrumentalized, and therefore laws are written with the use of only reason.
The matter is that laicism, western laicism, has a very deep and strong Christian root, and this is undeniable: Jesus himself preaches tolerance among religions in the Gospels... |
What's the conquest?
The woman(divorce etc...)?
Why laicists want to say that this is a christian culture?(I know: because they are liars and thieves!).
They are fighting against christianity and say that their culture is christian!
You are talking about interference for your things(women, etc...)
Why I would have to accept a laicist government if our people has a christian majority?
Is it legal?... Is it liberty?
The separation exists!!! |
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Edoardo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| I am Christian wrote: |
What's the conquest?
The woman(divorce etc...)?
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a conquest is a conquest, a turning point, something we've obtained after a long time we've been looking for it.
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Why laicists want to say that this is a christian culture?(I know: because they are liars and thieves!).
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I'm not a liar,I'm not a thief. Western culture has been built, among other things, on the Christian religion.
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They are fighting against christianity and say that their culture is christian!
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No... in fact many people are both against the church and against admitting that the western culture is Christian.
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You are talking about interference for your things(women, etc...)
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What are you talking about???
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Why I would have to accept a laicist government if our people has a christian majority?
Is it legal?... Is it liberty?
The separation exists!!! |
Of course, in democracy, the people decides the State system. If most of the people want their state to be laicist, so it will be.
Futhermore, the western conception of the laicist state does not go against the Christian religion. The firsts who Proposed the laicist state were strongly Christians, as the laicist state had already been proposed in the Middle Ages by Dante... |
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Lorikeet
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Bob S.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. Interesting. They seem mostly synonymous (at least if you follow subsequent links to pages on secularism and separation of church and state), differing only by degree.
If I understand the definition correctly, the U.S. is more laicist than secularist because government offices (or at least employees) do get religious holidays off (e.g. no mail service on Sundays, closed Christmas Day, etc.). |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Edoardo wrote: |
a conquest is a conquest, a turning point, something we've obtained after a long time we've been looking for it.
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Well said...
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I'm not a liar,I'm not a thief. Western culture has been built, among other things, on the Christian religion.
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You laicists are liars and thieves because western culture has modified against christianity...
The singer Madonna comes from your culture...
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No... in fact many people are both against the church and against admitting that the western culture is Christian.
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Ahahah... |
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Lorikeet
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Edoardo wrote: |
I'm not a liar,I'm not a thief. Western culture has been built, among other things, on the Christian religion.
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You laicists are liars and thieves because western culture has modified against christianity...
The singer Madonna comes from your culture...
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What an absurd statement. Are you claiming that everyone in western culture is a liar and a thief? Painting any large group of people with a broad brush just leads to stereotyping and miscommunication. (Note: "painting with a broad brush" is an idiom. If you use a very big paintbrush, you cannot paint small details. If you use a "broad brush" to make generalizations about people, you forgEt about individual differences.) |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Lorikeet wrote: |
| I am Christian wrote: |
| Edoardo wrote: |
I'm not a liar,I'm not a thief. Western culture has been built, among other things, on the Christian religion.
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You laicists are liars and thieves because western culture has modified against christianity...
The singer Madonna comes from your culture...
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What an absurd statement. Are you claiming that everyone in western culture is a liar and a thief? Painting any large group of people with a broad brush just leads to stereotyping and miscommunication. (Note: "painting with a broad brush" is an idiom. If you use a very big paintbrush, you cannot paint small details. If you use a "broad brush" to make generalizations about people, you forgEt about individual differences.) |
I am not a great painter...
I am talking about laicism that is the owner of the western nations...
Madonna could not go out if the owner was christian.
I am saying that laicists are fighting against christian culture and the singer Madonna is a great example... |
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Edoardo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| I am Christian wrote: |
| Edoardo wrote: |
I'm not a liar,I'm not a thief. Western culture has been built, among other things, on the Christian religion.
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You laicists are liars and thieves because western culture has modified against christianity...
The singer Madonna comes from your culture...
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Singers like madonna and other commercial phenomenons cannot be brought as representetive for the western culture!!!
futhermore, the fact that the western thought includes some anti-religious wings, does mean nothing... it is their opinion, that does not represent the whole social system.
What did we steal? What am I lying about?
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| Edoardo wrote: |
No... in fact many people are both against the church and against admitting that the western culture is Christian.
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Ahahah... |
What did I steal, what did I lie about? I don't laugh about your ideas, even if I don't condivide them at all. Please do the same. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Edoardo wrote: |
Singers like madonna and other commercial phenomenons cannot be brought as representetive for the western culture!!!
futhermore, the fact that the western thought includes some anti-religious wings, does mean nothing... it is their opinion, that does not represent the whole social system.
What did we steal? What am I lying about? |
The singer Madonna has created culture in the western countries, she has
found the favour of the owners of the western countries...blaspheming against the Mother of God (the Queen of Christianity)...
A lot of persons of these (fabolous) western countries have partecipated...
What a christian culture! This is a demoniac culture!!!
Christ will be against this people at first...
These countries have to learn education before teaching it... |
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Lorikeet
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Edoardo wrote: |
Singers like madonna and other commercial phenomenons cannot be brought as representetive for the western culture!!!
futhermore, the fact that the western thought includes some anti-religious wings, does mean nothing... it is their opinion, that does not represent the whole social system.
What did we steal? What am I lying about? |
The singer Madonna has created culture in the western countries, she has
found the favour of the owners of the western countries...blaspheming against the Mother of God (the Queen of Christianity)...
A lot of persons of these (fabolous) western countries have partecipated...
What a christian culture! This is a demoniac culture!!!
Christ will be against this people at first...
These countries have to learn education before teaching it... |
I find it very difficult to speak with persons such as yourself, who clearly have no idea about any other country, and get all their information from mass media. You believe everything you see? You think every person in every country thinks the same way? You don't allow for differences between people? It must be nice to know you are always right. People like you are the cause of many of the problems in the world. |
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I am Christian
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Lorikeet wrote: |
I find it very difficult to speak with persons such as yourself, who clearly have no idea about any other country, and get all their information from mass media. You believe everything you see? You think every person in every country thinks the same way? You don't allow for differences between people? It must be nice to know you are always right. People like you are the cause of many of the problems in the world. |
One has to see the owner, who decides!
The owners of the western peoples are not educated.
They want to teach the muslims with their culture but they would have to be educated in their countries at first...
Your culture doesn't want separations...it wants all with or without education...
Everybody have to make all that laicists want, muslim and christian women have to remove knikkers also...otherwise they cannot eat...
Laicism is an evil culture... |
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Lorikeet
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Laicist culture |
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| Lorikeet wrote: |
I find it very difficult to speak with persons such as yourself, who clearly have no idea about any other country, and get all their information from mass media. You believe everything you see? You think every person in every country thinks the same way? You don't allow for differences between people? It must be nice to know you are always right. People like you are the cause of many of the problems in the world. |
One has to see the owner, who decides!
The owners of the western peoples are not educated.
They want to teach the muslims with their culture but they would have to be educated in their countries at first...
Your culture doesn't want separations...it wants all with or without education...
Everybody have to make all that laicists want, muslim and christian women have to remove knikkers also...otherwise they cannot eat...
Laicism is an evil culture... |
Kay. I can hardly understand your philosophy, but what I see tells me you are very close-minded, among other things. I'm done talking. Thanks. |
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