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jarodlovely
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RedRose
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| BourneNOIR wrote: |
| There are many mainland Chinese who visit Taiwan every year for the pure purpose of site-seeing and vice versa. I don't see how politics will make it impossible for you to visit Taiwan or me to visit China (I actually am planning to go in a year or so, once I have enough vacation time from work). Politics is something that the government imposes on its people, but in a democratic society like the US and Taiwan, the will of the people is much stronger because people are able to exercise the freedom of speech to a much greater extent and think on their own. |
But I guess it's very hard for me to visit TaiWan. nowadays, we can visit Tailand, Europe, US... but we can't visit TaiWan. I really wanna visit TW actually. but no travel company here would organize such a trip for us. I don't know why. |
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jarodlovely
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BourneNOIR
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| jarodlovely wrote: |
| but i ask my teachers and friends whether i can go to universities in Taiwan, they said it's not going to happen... |
They may be right to a certain extent, since there's no official "diplomatic relation" between the two sides... and yes, it's a pity in that regard. However, I think there might be ways around it if you have the will...
Yeah, the current status quo is a political stalemate that's affecting people's lives. People in Taiwan don't want to fall under the control of the Communist government, and that's the reason for wanting separation. The Communist government and the ultra-nationalistic mainlanders will attack Taiwan if it separates... but why? For what? Who's right? Is it wrong for people to have a democratic nation? Just because the the Taiwanese people have Han blood flowing in them, does that mean Taiwan have to move backwards to Communist system where there's limited freedom of speech? Wouldn't an official diplomatic relation between the two sides as separate countries be better off for you and me?
Anyways, glad you're interested in visiting Taiwan. Good luck and best wishes. |
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BourneNOIR
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| RedRose wrote: |
| But I guess it's very hard for me to visit TaiWan. nowadays, we can visit Tailand, Europe, US... but we can't visit TaiWan. I really wanna visit TW actually. but no travel company here would organize such a trip for us. I don't know why. |
Hi RedRose, I see what you mean... I wonder if going through HK is an option... 
Now that you mention it, it does pose a problem... Now, it makes me wonder how mainland actors, singers, performers, etc. get to go to TW... maybe one needs special skills? |
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jarodlovely
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| BourneNOIR wrote: |
They may be right to a certain extent, since there's no official "diplomatic relation" between the two sides... and yes, it's a pity in that regard. However, I think there might be ways around it if you have the will...
Yeah, the current status quo is a political stalemate that's affecting people's lives. People in Taiwan don't want to fall under the control of the Communist government, and that's the reason for wanting separation. The Communist government and the ultra-nationalistic mainlanders will attack Taiwan if it separates... but why? For what? Who's right? Is it wrong for people to have a democratic nation? Just because the the Taiwanese people have Han blood flowing in them, does that mean Taiwan have to move backwards to Communist system where there's limited freedom of speech? Wouldn't an official diplomatic relation between the two sides as separate countries be better off for you and me?
Anyways, glad you're interested in visiting Taiwan. Good luck and best wishes. |
i think u r going to an extreme...the chinese communist party is not as terrible as you think... the mainland is getting more demorcratic these days...
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BourneNOIR
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jarodlovely wrote: |
| i think u r going to an extreme... |
Which part? The part about the threat to attack (China has hundreds of missiles aimed at Taiwan) or the part of limited freedom of speech? Those are not extremes, those are facts.
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| the chinese communist party is not as terrible as you think... the mainland is getting more demorcratic these days... |
While I'll agree that the CCP is not terrible, it's not good in terms of human rights and freedom of expression either. It's definitely better than the North Korean communist party. Did you forget about the SARS coverup? Besides, no government is perfect - are you allowed to openly criticize the CCP government and hold demonstrations to point out its flaws? In Taiwan you can, and many people do.
China is definitely getting more democratic (and I congratulate China on that), but it still pales in comparison to the type of democracy one can experience in Taiwan. If you just stay in Taiwan for a week you'll know what I'm talking about. China still has government controlled media, one party government system, no direct popular vote for the president (even the US lacks that), censorship (Internet, foreign movies, books, anything against the CCP, etc.)
I believe the attitude towards China will definitely change if/when it becomes completely democratic. But right now, Taiwan's more concerned with its own survival away from the Communist rule. |
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RedRose
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| BourneNOIR wrote: |
Hi RedRose, I see what you mean... I wonder if going through HK is an option...
Now that you mention it, it does pose a problem... Now, it makes me wonder how mainland actors, singers, performers, etc. get to go to TW... maybe one needs special skills? |
Going through HK? I don't think that's gonna work. here we can visit HK, but with a mainland's identity, we still can's visit TW through HK.
and yes, those famous actors and actresses can go anywhere. I don't know if because they have special skills.
I am a doctor as well as a teacher, therefore, I don't have such a special skill to visit TW. In this respect, China isn't that free at all.
Actually, I don't see why we can't visit TW. we just wanna VISIT it, nothing more, why can't we? sigh....that's beyond my brain. |
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wing
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It's the way to go to Taiwan, as BourneNOIR mentioned, as long as you've got enough money.
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RedRose
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| It's the way to go to Taiwan, as BourneNOIR mentioned, as long as you've got enough money. |
Although I am not rich, but I know that going to TW has little to do with plenty of money, instead, fame would help you visit TW if you have it.
One of my colleagues, who is very rich because she married a rich husband, has visited many countries such as US, UK, Thailand...but she has never visited TW. I once asked her:"why don't you visit TW for a change? that'd be fun!" she answered:"easier said than done! we are not allowed to go to TW!! I wish my could visit TW in my living years."
Obviously, she dosen't have any "special skills" to visit TW as BourneNOIR mentioned  |
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asterix
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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If it's difficult to visit Taiwan from mainland China, then it is obviously because one of the two governments is making it so.
I bet you can't guess which one it is. |
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RedRose
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| asterix wrote: |
If it's difficult to visit Taiwan from mainland China, then it is obviously because one of the two governments is making it so.
I bet you can't guess which one it is. |
I bet both governments do. |
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wing
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| RedRose wrote: |
| asterix wrote: |
If it's difficult to visit Taiwan from mainland China, then it is obviously because one of the two governments is making it so.
I bet you can't guess which one it is. |
I bet both governments do. |
Taiwan people now can directly fly to China while they used to get there through HK that sounds a bit inconvenience. I think people from China who want to have a glimpse of Taiwan always need to have enough bucks for the plane ticket. For example, my husband is Chinese, born in JianXi. He pays much more than me and goes through a set of troublesome procedures in order to go on a business trip to Taiwan with me.
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RedRose
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| wing wrote: |
Taiwan people now can directly fly to China while they used to get there through HK that sounds a bit inconvenience. I think people from China who want to have a glimpse of Taiwan always need to have enough bucks for the plane ticket. For example, my husband is Chinese, born in JianXi. He pays much more than me and goes through a set of troublesome procedures in order to go on a business trip to Taiwan with me. |
Money isn't the main problem. your husband can spend more money flying to TW just because of you. you are from TW, right?
My colleague I mentioned earlier has a lot of bucks, but she can't fly to TW. Because her husband is from Chinese mainland too. |
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wing
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 No, I'm a Hongkongese. Maybe that is one of the reasons, but I still suspect the impossibility as I know many things in China that can be done through the back door are rife. That makes me think there is no problem when you catch up with the right person and have bills on hand.
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