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[flying_pig319]

So, Saddam Hussein was hanged on national television in the USA.

I find this sick and evil, because humans should NOT find joy in others' death! It's very immoral.

My friend and I were arguing about this yesterday. She said that just because reveling in others' death is immoral by MY moral standards, doesn't mean it's immoral by everyone's moral standards, so I "shouldn't judge" and it is OK for the news to show the death.
I said that no, reveling in others' death IS wrong; it's not just my opinion, and for the news to cater to that immorality is ALSO unethical. Similarly, if SOME people thought slavery was OK, the US shouldn't create a state where slavery is allowed because "those people have a right to own slaves if their moral standards permit it". Creating such a state would be unethical, and it would be catering to others' WRONG "opinions".
My friend, again, disagreed.

I thought this was an interesting argument that really got me fired up, so I thought I'd share it.

Anyone else have an opinion? I'd love to keep this going (politely, of course)...
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[asterix]

I agree with you.
He was the only one in that video that showed any class at all.
150 years ago public executions were common. Now, most civilized countries don't have the death penalty at all.
The whole point of "justice" IS to judge people, so your friend is out in left field. Probably right field, given her views on slavery.

[flying_pig319]

[Outofin]

Broadcasting it on TV is horrible, low, and childish. That's what they are.

[ad-miral]

[ClarissaMach]

When the video was broadcasted, I was home with my older brother and my mother, and they began to talk things like "It's shocking for us, but I guess that for people in the Middle East it's not normal to show people been killed on TV".

I said, "hey, it's a prejudice! How can you possibly think that just because the death penalty exists in Iraq, everybody around there agrees with that? The death penalty exists in the USA, but I don't believe every single american agrees with it.
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[flying_pig319]

[ad-miral]

The war against Saddam started because G.W.Bush thought Saddam was responsible for the 11.9.
Then they caught Saddam and found out that he hasn't done anything according to 11.9., but they still hanged him because of another reason.
There are theories whether BinLaden was hired by Bush, to find a reason to kill Saddam, however they are only assumptions so better not to talk about them.

Sooo let's better talk about you and your friend...
You think that it's evil to celebrate other people's death, because this is against every moral standard, against the Bible, because Bible says that everybody has dignity, and against something like the "law of nature".

Your friend premises that there are more people who think this is moral than people who think this is immoral. According to her premise, she says that you should shut up and listen to the news.

And the you argued about your points. Did I get your point correctly?

As always, I think your opinion is correct. In every society there are rankings, lower ranking, higher ranking, people who has power to rule other people, who has more might. But above all rankings and administrations, justice should be the highest might.

The try of the Bush administration, to overwhelm the small injustice by an bigger injustice, is WRONG.

[Cristi]

[flying_pig319]

[Cristi]

Yikes! Thank you very much flying_pig
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[Leon Young]

let's make it simple,who made the decision that saddam should be hanged on the national television? but i don't konw who did such a thing?does he want to be hanged through the TV,suppose that he did something wrong.if he want be done that way,i have nothing to say.thank you ,and then byebye
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[fa6ma]

Bush attcked Iraq to resolve his problems with saddam THE HARD WAY....also for petrol and many rich resources in Iraq....
another thing Bush has no respect to Muslim so much that the execution day was in our Eid AL Adha which a day of celebration after fasting Youm arafa...
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[Corey]

Exactly
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