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Winkydragonfly
Joined: 10 Dec 2005
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Location: China
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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: Do you think my choice is need? |
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We all know that university entrance examination is quite important for every student.Of course I will have it in three years.There are so many students taking this examination,so, to get a good mark in this exam is not an easy thing,even can say that it is difficult to get a good mark.
It is difficult,so I should study more hard than before.
But how?I decided not to play QQ,everytime if I am on line,I just come here to post something,or go to some web to search something that is helpful for my study.
After school,read more books to expand my knowledge,and not to read the novels...
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ieltsinsider
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: depends |
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If you are worried about how difficult the Chinese university entrance exam is, you first need to know where you live in China. Then, it's easy to know the answer.
As for preparing for the exam, well, that's just a question of memorisation. |
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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two days ago, I read a funny post in which the poster said that it's pretty easy to pass Chinese university exames  it sounded like the exam's a piece of cake to her but again, I highly doubt she could pass the exam from her choatic logic showed in her posts.
and here in China the university entrance examination is really difficult(of course, if someone says it's easy, that's ok, because she knows she is never gonna take this examination that's her luck ). but for Chinese students, passing the extrance examination seems to be the only access to a prosperous future, oh, not exactly, passing the examination is just the first step to your future, you have to continue studying hard in your university, and if you are an aspirant student, you are supposed to gain higher degrees: Master, Ph,D.
China has so many people, the competition of living is soooo fierce. therefore, Winkydragonfly, you have to go away from QQ, Computer games, and you'd better not be an computer addict, for at least 3 years, and concentrate on your lessons. I think you just have no choice if you wanna get a good mark in your university entrance examination.
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| As for preparing for the exam, well, that's just a question of memorisation. |
Really? how did you know that? have you even experienced such an examination? sorry to let you down. it's not so easy as you imagine. it requires not only good momery, but also the excellent abilities of analyzing and solving questions, you have to be smart and have a clear logic if you wanna pass the hard examination.
Sorry, I have to say these chill words, but that's the reality in China. |
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Winkydragonfly
Joined: 10 Dec 2005
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Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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two days ago, I read a funny post in which the poster said that it's pretty easy to pass Chinese university exames it sounded like the exam's a piece of cake to her but again, I highly doubt she could pass the exam from her choatic logic showed in her posts.
and here in China the university entrance examination is really difficult(of course, if someone says it's easy, that's ok, because she knows she is never gonna take this examination that's her luck ). but for Chinese students, passing the extrance examination seems to be the only access to a prosperous future, oh, not exactly, passing the examination is just the first step to your future, you have to continue studying hard in your university, and if you are an aspirant student, you are supposed to gain higher degrees: Master, Ph,D.
China has so many people, the competition of living is soooo fierce. therefore, Winkydragonfly, you have to go away from QQ, Computer games, and you'd better not be an computer addict, for at least 3 years, and concentrate on your lessons. I think you just have no choice if you wanna get a good mark in your university entrance examination.
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| As for preparing for the exam, well, that's just a question of memorisation. |
Really? how did you know that? have you even experienced such an examination? sorry to let you down. it's not so easy as you imagine. it requires not only good momery, but also the excellent abilities of analyzing and solving questions, you have to be smart and have a clear logic if you wanna pass the hard examination.
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Well,I quite agree with Redrose!
University entrance examination sounds easy,you may think:oh,it is just an exam.However,if you have ever taken it,you would feel that it is really diffiuclt!
There are two kinds of senior high school students in China.One is the arts,and the other is the science.If you are a student of the arts,your memory should be very good!Of course you should also be good at analyse.You have to analyse the reason of the events.
If you are a student of the science,your logical reasoning should be very good,or sometimes you can't follow your teachers or your classmates.Also,you should have a good momery,you have to remember a lot of expressions,theorem and axiom,without them,you can't work out problems.
So,university entrance examination isn't only a question of memorisation!
But also qutstions of logical reasoning and so on.
Oh,I nearly forget to say,handwriting is also quite important in the university entrance examination.Especially to a student of the arts,you may write a lot in the paper,if your handwriting isn't good,your mark maybe lower than other students,who's handwriting is quite good.Not only the students of atrs,but also the students of the science,they should also write neatly!
See,the university entrance examination is very very very diffiuclt! 
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ieltsinsider
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: raises questions |
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The chances of a Chinese person passing the university entrance examination primarily depend on where they live. If you live in Beijing or Shanghai, your chances are about 80% (source: Chinese government). If you live in a village in the countryside, your chances are about 20% (source: Chinese government). This is because of a few different reasons, but the most obvious ones are: 1. better teachers in the cities than in the villages and 2. the hukou (residence permit) system means that students from cities have a certain number of guaranteed places at universities in their own cities.
Of course, Chinese people will tell you that the exam is difficult. That way, if they fail, they save face. Overall, half the students who take the test will pass. That means that it cannot be very difficult to pass.
As I clearly demonstrated before on another post, competition does not depend only on the number of people competing. It also depends on the quality of the people taking part in the competition. The example I gave was that if myself and my best friend played basketball against Yao Ming, he would easily beat us, even though it is two against one.
Actually, Red Rose, I have a lot of experience with the university entrance exam. If the university entrance exam requires such great analytical skills, the question has to be asked as to why so many university students in China freely admit that they do not have such analytical skills.
Handwriting is a factor in any written exam. If the examiner cannot read it, you will clearly get a low score. Your point is valid, but relates to any written test, not only this one. |
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
The chances of a Chinese person passing the university entrance examination primarily depend on where they live. If you live in Beijing or Shanghai, your chances are about 80% (source: Chinese government). If you live in a village in the countryside, your chances are about 20% (source: Chinese government). This is because of a few different reasons, but the most obvious ones are: 1. better teachers in the cities than in the villages and 2. the hukou (residence permit) system means that students from cities have a certain number of guaranteed places at universities in their own cities.
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sorry, ieltsinsider, it's not 80%, it's 65%, the other 15 belong to nongovernmental college, those students who fail the entrance examination would go for the nongovernmental college. but it's hard for a nongovernmental student to find a job after he graduates from college.so normally, when we mention the chance to enter universities, we don't really count the nongovernmental one. that's all about 80%.
however, if you wanna enter a first-class university, your chance is 10%, and if you wanna enter a second-class university, your chance is 25%. of course, if you wanna enter a 3rd-class one, your chance is 65%. actually, all students are eager to enter the first-class universities, because that means you will study better in your college years, and that's a good chip for your future. if you can enter just a third-class college, then your future won't be that prosperous.
I took this entrance exam 19 years ago, in that year just 21% students could pass the examination of all students.
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| Of course, Chinese people will tell you that the exam is difficult. That way, if they fail, they save face. Overall, half the students who take the test will pass. That means that it cannot be very difficult to pass. |
yes, we would tell you it's hard, and we would tell you where we are from, for us, it's not about a face, it's about the truth. we would tell you our nationality, our situation, because we are honest and confident. unlike some people, no matter how hard you ask her, she just dare not tell you where she is from. such unconfident people always judges people and makes her imaginative criticism towards people, that's pretty funny. but ok, since she is such a coward, that's her right, everyone has the right to be a coward. but I can't guarantee not to make fun of that.
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| As I clearly demonstrated before on another post, competition does not depend only on the number of people competing. It also depends on the quality of the people taking part in the competition. The example I gave was that if myself and my best friend played basketball against Yao Ming, he would easily beat us, even though it is two against one. |
really? ok, let's see: here are 5 positions, if 10 people go for them, is that as easy as it is when 100 people go for the 5 position? you gave an example about Yao Ming, very good. Yao Ming is excellent, so he will win of 10 people or 100 people, just because he is the best, right? and here are 5 jobs, one is taken by Yao Ming, there are 4 left, and do you still think it's as easy for the left 9 people to go for the 5 positions as it's for the left 99 to go for them?
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| Actually, Red Rose, I have a lot of experience with the university entrance exam. If the university entrance exam requires such great analytical skills, the question has to be asked as to why so many university students in China freely admit that they do not have such analytical skills. |
I am sure you do have a lot of experience you failed and you took another one, and you failed again, and you took another one again...... I am not in the same boat as you, poor me, I just took it once, and I passed, I am not as experienced as you. some students admit they don't have such analytical skills, that happens in any country. you said many students in china said that...where did you get this conclusion? how many is your "many"?
Have you even experienced Chinese university entrance examination? I know you are very experienced at entrance examination, lucky you! and you failed again and again. so you failed because you got a bad memory? sorry again. the more I got to know about you, the more I feel sorry. maybe you just no longer want me to feel sorry, so you won't tell me your nationality, your background....thank you! it's very thoughtful of you! you are definitely a sweetheart!
you said the entrance examination is just a matter of memorise, maybe it's true in your country. in that case it's time for your country to reform its university examination system! if your country just test students' memory, without evaluating students' abilities of analyzing and solving problem, then such a examination system is definitely a problem! sorry again. |
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ieltsinsider
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: points |
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The OP didn't distinguish between governmental and non-governmental universites and colleges - therefore, my original statistic stands. Yours is correct if you only count governmental institutions.
Again, the OP didn't distinguish between first, second, and third class universities. Again, your stats are correct, but mine are too. Attending a first class university in any country is difficult. That's kinda why those universities are first class - because a lot of people want to go there and not all of them can get in.
Yes, it was harder to go to university in the past - there were far fewer places - but again, the OP is clearly referring to the current situation.
You say that I'm a coward for not saying where I'm from. Actually, as I've told you before, you can check my past posts and find out. Use those great analytical skills you have been telling us about. You also offend Winkydragonfly, since she/he hasn't told us where she/he is from.
OK, you have 5 positions and 10 people go for them, but the position requires a university degree and 5 of the people don't have one. The other 5 people are practically guaranteed places. As I said, competition doesn't ONLY depend on quantity.
How do you know that I have failed the univeristy entrance exam? Provide some evidence rather than simply shouting insults!
How many is many? In this particular case, almost 100% of a very large group of students at Tsinghua University. (For non-Chinese posters reading this, that's the top uni in China.)
I'll be happy to tell you my 'experience' of the university entrance exam later. For the moment, I'm quite happy to let you dig yourself into a gigantic hole with your specious arguments.
Your comments about memorisation are absolutely correct - it is time for China to reform its system and there definitely is a problem with the exams system in China. |
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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ieltsinsider, sorry, I just read your last post on the thread, and I just can't help laughing! you have no argument AGAIN  let's see, here you go!
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| You say that I'm a coward for not saying where I'm from. Actually, as I've told you before, you can check my past posts and find out. Use those great analytical skills you have been telling us about. You also offend Winkydragonfly, since she/he hasn't told us where she/he is from. |
why should I check all your posts to get to know where you are from? why don't you simply tell me about your nationality? why do I have to waste my time to analyze where you are from? it's a simply question, do you really think we should play hidden and caught to get this result? what's your point? you won't tell me about your nationality, we all know the reason, you are a coward.
I offended winkydrandonfly? hahahahhahahahahahah!!!! I guess you were trying to get a reinforcement but , I am sorry again! I know where she is from, winkydrandonfly wrote her nationality under her avatar, please check out before you try winkydrandonfly is a Chinese girl from some high school. she and I are both confident and honest, so we don't have to play hidden and caught game frankly, I think winkydrandonfly is far far more intelligent than you, sorry again!
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| As I clearly demonstrated before on another post, competition does not depend only on the number of people competing. It also depends on the quality of the people taking part in the competition. The example I gave was that if myself and my best friend played basketball against Yao Ming, he would easily beat us, even though it is two against one. |
sorry that your brain is still chaotic. but at least now you admit that the number of people would be a factor of competition. tidy you brain up, please! you see, China has a huge population, but we can't offer as accordingly many chances of jobs for everyone, that results in a fierce competition, if you are the best, you have no problem to find a good job, but not everyone is the best one, the others have to strike for these jobs, and almost all people want good jobs, so you have to study hard, work hard to compete with people, do you get it? you mentioned the quantity and quality, lemme tell you: Mostly because the quantity of people is huge, so only those people with good quality can get the good jobs.
Did I make myself clear?
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| How do you know that I have failed the univeristy entrance exam? Provide some evidence rather than simply shouting insults! |
How did you think I insult you? come on! you have a lot of experience of university entrance examinations let's see, if you were good and smart(just a postulate, of course, you are not smart  ), you don't have to have a lot of experience of university entrance examinations, you just need to take it only once, and you pass it, that's a little experience not a lot! hahahahhahahaha sorry, I just can't stop laughing
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| How many is many? In this particular case, almost 100% of a very large group of students at Tsinghua University. (For non-Chinese posters reading this, that's the top uni in China.) |
if you have no argument, why not just admit the truth? almost 100% of a very large group of students at Tsinghua University admit they don't have the abilities of analyzing and solving problems? how could you make such a huge lie? TsingHua's students are 50 times intelligent maybe more than you you are failing the debate, I will be generous to you if you feel sad, but please, don't insult those smart Tsinghua students. that won't be helpful to your failure.
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| I'll be happy to tell you my 'experience' of the university entrance exam later. For the moment, I'm quite happy to let you dig yourself into a gigantic hole with your specious arguments. |
when will you tell me a little more about you? I am sick of playing the hidden and caught game with you and please, we are not kids, maybe we should play some adult games, such as telling the truth game, what do you think? and I have no interest in digging all your posts just to get your data, sorry to tell you, I won't do that just because your posts are freakishly babyish and silly.
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| Your comments about memorisation are absolutely correct - it is time for China to reform its system and there definitely is a problem with the exams system in China. |
I am sure you are very very irritated!! otherwise why did you manipulate and twist my post to fix your so-called points? I am sorry you have become a mad girl. but in order to clean your brain, lemme state my point once again:
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| As for preparing for the exam, well, that's just a question of memorisation |
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see? that's what you said. just a question of memorisation, you came up with such a conclusion because of your experience of university entrance examination in your country. so since the system of university entrance examination in your country just requirs good memory of students, so it's time for your country to reform its system of university entrance examination. but China's system of university entrance examination isn't like that, we test students's memory, abilities of analyzing and solving problems, so we have good system of university entrance examination.
Now, do you feel better? and how do you feel about your brain? better?
I hope you recover as soon as possible. actually, I know you won't be much better after you recover though, after all, your logic is very chaotic and your mind is very furious, but I still hope you can get better, even a little better
Next time, please don't twist my words to suit for your points anymore. make your point yourself, and I hope you tidy your mind up before making a reply.
Have a good health! |
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Winkydragonfly
Joined: 10 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: points |
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You also offend Winkydragonfly, since she/he hasn't told us where she/he is from.
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Well,I am a girl from Fujian,China!
Do you know?
And this is quite a small province!I am quite sorry to say that the tecahing condition in Fujian is far worse than the other big provinces.
There are some cities in Fujian!And I am in a laggard city!As you know,there is a big gap between big province and laggard city!
Now,I am telling you that,the fact is I don't live in the city center, but in a small country in such a laggard city!Luckily,I am in the most important senior high school in my country.However,the teaching condition is still quite bad!Very very bad!
You see,is it diffiuclt?
Big provinces are much better than Fujian province,some big cities in Fujian are much better than our laggard city,the city center is much better than my poor country!
There are so many doorstill between the students in big cities and me!So maybe they can pass the university entrance exam easily,at least they can make it easiler than me! 
Some people saud that(I am not sure if it is truth.)if the students in big cities want to enter the Tsinghua University ,their mark is at least five hundred and fifty or sixty,but if we,the students in the laggard countries want to enter the Tsinghua University,our marks should be at least six hundred and fifty or sixty!You see,how difficult it is?!
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: what? |
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Am I the only person having serious difficulty in understanding Red rose's posts?
Red Rose, you stated that competition in China was great because of the large population. I stated that the size of population is not the only factor you need to take into account. You deny that, then admit it! What on earth are you talking about?
I have taken the university entrance exam many times and passed every time. See if you can figure that out.
Why do you consider that I have no argument when I talk about Tsinghua University? You don't study there, do you? Actually, the students at Tsinghua are pretty poor and if they are China's best, then other countries have no need to fear about competition from China. Their English is atrocious - they can barely say a word!
It's very interesting that you are moving towards your usual strategy of not producing evidence, but simply attacking people who disagree with you. What happened to all that intelligence and analytical ability that Chinese university students and graduates have?
On the issue of reforming the Chinese education system, what do you think needs to be changed? Like most Chinese people do when they 'debate', you just made a very general comment about the need for reform without actually saying what should be done.
You say that I came to a conclusion based on my experience in my country. You are so, so foolish for making such a statement when you don't even know which country I am from!!! How do you know it's time for my country to change it's university entrance examination system? You don't even know which country I'm from!!!
If you dare to make any further comments on my brain, you will be reported to the moderator. I will not tolerate your childish comments any longer. |
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ad-miral
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Haha, RR, making trouble again? How comes that after such a long time, the first post I see is a fight scene of you and another guy? hahaha
ieltsinsider, Chinese education is different to the western education, for example. They almost learn everything by heard and can only write down what they have learned by heart.
But the problem is, they only learn things by heart and write it down, they don't use English to speak.
That's the reason why many fresh graduates from Qinghua cannot speak. But in Grammar you can't beat them. |
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ad-miral
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| oh zhudajie, you don't know who I am? how cold hearted you are |
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ieltsinsider
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: i know |
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ad-miral - In response to your comments about the Chinese education system; I know, that's what I'm trying to get across to Red Rose. Actually, though, their grammar sucks. Most cannot even make a correct sentence. However, their theoretical knowledge of grammar is generally reasonable - at least they know some of the special grammatical terms that native speakers don't know. Problem is, they're not competent enough to put their theoretical knowledge into practice.
This problem is not unique to English. Chinese students are rarely able to translate theory into practice. That's a big part of the reason they can't find decent jobs after graduation. |
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Re: what? |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
Am I the only person having serious difficulty in understanding Red rose's posts?
Red Rose, you stated that competition in China was great because of the large population. I stated that the size of population is not the only factor you need to take into account. You deny that, then admit it! What on earth are you talking about?
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haha! I am so glad that we have something in common!! you finally admitted that the number of people is the factor of competition, thanks for being reasonable, finally!
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| I have taken the university entrance exam many times and passed every time. See if you can figure that out. |
hahahahahhaha!!! you crack me up!
After so many days, you finally racked yours brain to come up with such a hilarious lie??? Dear, the university entrance exam is annual, did you take those exames just for fun? you took it year by year without feeling tired, do you really think the university entrance exam is a fun game? it is worth taking every year?
and have you passed all of them?? hahaha! frankly, I doubt it just because of your chaotic logic and brain and ...because you are a coward
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| Why do you consider that I have no argument when I talk about Tsinghua University? You don't study there, do you? Actually, the students at Tsinghua are pretty poor and if they are China's best, then other countries have no need to fear about competition from China. Their English is atrocious - they can barely say a word! |
Sorry to tell you, when you mentioned Tsinghua University, it seemed that you were the one who really felt self-contemptuous , otherwise, you wouldn't have been so hysteric.
I didn't study in Tsinghua University, but my little sister did. after she graduated from Tsinghua University, she went to Germany to continue her study. and she gained her Ph.d in Germany. to be honest, my little sister wasn't the best in her class, all her classmates were very intelligent, far more than you and most of them studied abroad after graduating from Tsinghua University, and they had no language problem when they studied abroad I don't think you might sound a little clever by insulting those Tsinghua University students, instead, you sound pretty like a callet who insults people just because other people are smarter than her and that's helpless 
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| It's very interesting that you are moving towards your usual strategy of not producing evidence, but simply attacking people who disagree with you. What happened to all that intelligence and analytical ability that Chinese university students and graduates have? |
I insulted you? how come? come on! I respect you because of your "guts"
you see, you always dare not tell us about your nationality, but you still keep judging people; and you said you were not a coward because you dare not tell where you are from do you think that makes sense? I don't think so.
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| On the issue of reforming the Chinese education system, what do you think needs to be changed? Like most Chinese people do when they 'debate', you just made a very general comment about the need for reform without actually saying what should be done. |
sorry that your brain is still chaotic! remember, it's you who said China should reform its education system!! not me!! sorry, it's time for you to see a doctor again. ya are just so sick
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| You say that I came to a conclusion based on my experience in my country. You are so, so foolish for making such a statement when you don't even know which country I am from!!! How do you know it's time for my country to change it's university entrance examination system? You don't even know which country I'm from!!! |
hahahahhahahaha!!!! You dare not tell us where you are from, and that's my fault? what the hell is that  remember? you once said:
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| As for preparing for the exam, well, that's just a question of memorisation. |
see? that's what you said!! and is that what you country required students? how come you came to such a conclusion? because you have A LOT OF exam experiences in your country!
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| If you dare to make any further comments on my brain, you will be reported to the moderator. I will not tolerate your childish comments any longer |
What??? you can't stand the impersonal comments about your brain from people when you actually have a big lack of good logic? come on! this's the second time that you call backup for your failure, but you still think you are not a coward??
Ok, how about I give you a lot of compliments? ok, listen: you are terribly smart!! you are intelligent! you are confident! you are sophisticated! you are awesome!!! you are not a coward!! you are excellent at the experienc of university entrance exames in your country!! you are the wisest person in the world!!!
Unfortunately, are you?
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RedRose
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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and admiral, I know who you are how can I forget you?
yeah, I am having fun discussing with a funny person, I guess it's "she" not "he"
Admiral, why did you change your handle? |
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