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[simplyblessedwithlove]

[ieltsinsider]

I haven't gone though all 18 pages of this post, so forgive me if I make a point that has already been made.

Did anyone notice the reasoning behind the OP's statement about why Taiwan is a part of China? "You write in Chinese, you speak Chinese, you look Chinese", etc. Wow! Talk about an expansionist Chinese policy! According to that logic, Singapore is also part of China!

The fact is that no country recognises Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan hasn't even declared itself independent. Therefore, Taiwan is still a part of China.

The fun starts if Taiwan declares independence. I hope they do it just before the Olympics in 2008 or the APEC summit in Shanghai in 2010. China won't be able to do a thing.

Final point. Why does Taiwan have to reunify under a Communist Chinese system. Why can't they get together under Taiwan's system?

[BourneNOIR]

[alexander.Lee]

[alexander.Lee]

Added:
I dont mean that TW should not declear its independence.Actully I hope TW will be another US as it gein its independence from UK .But I do not like to see wars.You can find some other options .I cannot give any advise on the options ,but I wish you-another Smart group of Chinese have.

[alexander.Lee]

The most probable reason for PRC want TW
Well,Just from the PRC side,it is very importan to have TW under its control especially under its force control.Becaous TW is a very very important point related to the safty of southeast of china----whice is also the most developed place of China .TW is out of PLA's control then Southeast of China is not safe.I am very sorry to find out that reason,beacuse it is so coldblooded.It means use Taiwan as the frontline....If it is one of the real purposes.
I hate to talk about this topic any more.[/b]

[BourneNOIR]

[ieltsinsider]

BourneNOIR beat me, but thanks for the post, Alexander.

You wrote "maybe many Chinese people agree with me". True. A couple of years ago, there was a discussion on the Taiwan issue at Tsinghua University in Beijing (the most prestigious university in mainland China). The discussion was brought to an abrupt close when many of the students said that if the Taiwanese wanted to be independent, then the Chinese government should let them.

[simplyblessedwithlove]

[KHF]

Finally someone is willing to at least stop and think. Alexander really impressed me (and I'm not being sarcastic).

Now onto the issue. The security breach theory could very much be the reason. As we all know both China and the US have marked each other as a potential enemy. That's quite understandable really. They are the only two entities on this world that have enough resource, military strength and influence to be of any significant threat to each other. Having North Korea over there constantly test firing Chinese supplied missiles doesn't help any, either. So part of the US plan to project a remote control over eastern Asia is to set up a missile defense line (TMD anyone?) in the pacific that consists primarily of Japan, South Korea and possibiliy Taiwan. Now Japan and South Korea are pretty much out of reach for the Chinese to stop the TMD or any other military deployment for that matter. The only hole left is Taiwan, and China might as well grab this chance to keep the hole open or make it even bigger.

How? Well, I've explained this a long time ago (probably 10 pages back or even in another thread). Basically, controlling Taiwan means controlling the access to the coastal trade routes running from southeast Asia all the way up to Yellow Sea . Unfortunately, both South Korea and Japan lack natural resources. They need the trade routes for their industries to survive. Whoever that controls the trade routes then, will have a lot of say in whatever decision they make. When the Chinese takes over, a total collapse of the pacific defense line would most likely ensue.

Just another cat and mouse in the new cold war era.

[RedRose]

This thread is very boring and meaningless.

[KHF]

Then by all means go away. We're trying to have a discussion here.

[RedRose]

[KHF]

And I'm not saying you can't say it. I'm saying if you find it boring you might as well go away instead of interrupting, period. Any further whining won't warrant a reply from me, so might as well save it.

[RedRose]