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neverenough



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject: Dave's ESL Cafe quizzes Reply with quote

This is addressed to doliver, who is a moderator and I assume the same as Dennis Oliver who is credited for creating a "quiz" in the quizzes section of this website or anyone who wants to respond.

Two of the questions in the quiz are as follows:

1. If it _____ raining, I'd work outside today.
2. If Joe _______ in an important meeting, he would go home and take a
nap.

Now I realize my English grammar is not the strongest point of my English but I and many people I have asked believe the correct answer should be
"wasn't" but that is not one of the three choices given. The "correct" answer given is "weren't". If this is true, can someone please give me the grammatical reason why? Thank you in advance.
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doliver



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Dave's ESL Cafe Quizzes Reply with quote

Hi, Neverenough.

You wrote:

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Two of the questions in the quiz are as follows:

1. If it _____ raining, I'd work outside today.
2. If Joe _______ in an important meeting, he would go home and take a
nap.

Now I realize my English grammar is not the strongest point of my English but I and many people I have asked believe the correct answer should be
"wasn't" but that is not one of the three choices given. The "correct" answer given is "weren't". If this is true, can someone please give me the grammatical reason why?

Thank you in advance.


Comments:

In informal conversational English, "If ___ wasn't" (as in "If it wasn't raining" and "If Joe wasn't in an important meeting") is commonly heard, but in formal written English, "If it weren't" is still considered the norm. Our students need to know both forms, of course, but if they only know the informal conversational form, they are missing important information�information which regularly appears on standardized tests of English proficiency.

For more information, see these online resources:

http://www.englishpage.com/conditional/presentconditional.html#presentunreal

http://web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/410/grammar/2cond.htm

http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/2nd-conditional.html

http://www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/7583/condless.html

http://bogglesworld.com/glossary/secondconditional.htm

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional.htm

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I hope this information has been useful, Neverenough.

D. Oliver
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Hayde



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree with doliver, weren't is proper for written English, and I have even heard a couple people say it, but I never say that. I always say wasn't myself. Both are correct in spoken English now.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: "if I wasn't" vs "if I weren't" Reply with quote

Just remember that while knowing what is commonly used in informal spoken English is important, what is appropriate for formal and written English is probably more important. That doesn't mean that "if I wasn't" is wrong; what it means is that "if I weren't" is considered more appropriate in educated, formal situations in which one is expected to use his or her "best" English.

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