This should be done by anybody.
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This should be done by anybody.
Does this work? And if not, why not?
This should be done by anybody.
This should be done by anybody.
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Really? What if the sentence were This could be done by anybody?Always choose "some" over "any" unless it is a negative/question
The difference between some and any (and consequently someone/body/where/thing and anyone... etc) is semantic, not grammatical and has nothing to do with positive/negative/question. Unfortunately I'm at work and don't have time to go into the details now.
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Why not just direct 'im to Lewis, lol?lolwhites wrote:The difference between some and any (and consequently someone/body/where/thing and anyone... etc) is semantic, not grammatical and has nothing to do with positive/negative/question. Unfortunately I'm at work and don't have time to go into the details now.

I find Lewis's "any" examples rather superfluous (regarding the use of "any", unsurprisingly!), however:
I like some pop music.
I don't like some pop music.
I like any pop music.
I don't like any pop music.
(page 33 of The English Verb)
"Pop music" is "whole" enough, without the need to add something meaning "all" (i.e. "any"), whereas delimiting part of that whole (with "some") is a more obviously useful option.
That is, I am more inclined to say "I don't like opera (full stop)" than "I don't like any opera" ("I don't like any [old] opera - I like Beethoven's Fidelio, for gawd's sake, surely the greatest opera ever composed!!!"

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quote="woodcutter"]I'd say not.
I'd disagree with that. That is fine for lower level ESLers, but:Always choose "some" over "any" unless it is a negative/question,
Let's see what happens if we take the basic semantic meanings of some and any:
Some is used if the idea is limited or restricted in some way.
Any is used if the idea is unlimited or unrestricted.
Any applies to all, or none; some applies to a part.
E.G.
I like any classical music.
I like some classical music.
I don't like any classical music.
I don't like some classical music.
Probably a good idea.Or say "everybody" if that's what you mean.
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I agree. The problem seems to lie with the obligation reading of "should" combined with the non-specific nature of "anybody".lolwhites wrote:Really? What if the sentence were This could be done by anybody?Always choose "some" over "any" unless it is a negative/question
The difference between some and any (and consequently someone/body/where/thing and anyone... etc) is semantic, not grammatical and has nothing to do with positive/negative/question. Unfortunately I'm at work and don't have time to go into the details now.
Not even if one needs to be: emphatic, more precise, to make a comparison, to contrast?"fluffyhamster"
(page 33 of The English Verb)
"Pop music" is "whole" enough, without the need to add something meaning "all" (i.e. "any"), whereas delimiting part of that whole (with "some") is a more obviously useful option.
John doesn't like some classical music. Me, I like classical music. I don't mind which CD you play.
John doesn't like some classical music. Me, I like any ( type of) classical music. I don't mind which CD you play.
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Wow, nice substitution with pronoun "it" there (why the mania in TEFL for contrasts?! Just "Do you like classical music - mind if I put some on?" "Sure (I like it) go ahead", or "What shall I put on? Classical? Jazz" "I don't mind (anything's fine)" would make a change, eh!
); and thoroughly convincing use of "some" there too, metal!
Heh excuse the sarcasm, point taken alright. CONTEXTMAN, whoever he is and wherever he may be (battling rogue sentences) should consider handing his leotard, y-fronts and cape over to YOU!! (after washing especially the y-fronts, of course).


Heh excuse the sarcasm, point taken alright. CONTEXTMAN, whoever he is and wherever he may be (battling rogue sentences) should consider handing his leotard, y-fronts and cape over to YOU!! (after washing especially the y-fronts, of course).

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Gah! I thought my grasp of Headway Elementary would see me through. Foiled again.
Yes, the "rules" proceed from the semantics. Actually, we have to add imagined situations to that negatives/questions list, because these are also situations where "anybody" is not made into an absurdity by the context. Since anybody means something like "person (no example excluded)" it is essentially a large or even limitless number of people. When we use it in certain situations, like the example provided, it sounds like "everybody". We do not use it that way - it must be replaced by everybody in such a situation.
Yes, the "rules" proceed from the semantics. Actually, we have to add imagined situations to that negatives/questions list, because these are also situations where "anybody" is not made into an absurdity by the context. Since anybody means something like "person (no example excluded)" it is essentially a large or even limitless number of people. When we use it in certain situations, like the example provided, it sounds like "everybody". We do not use it that way - it must be replaced by everybody in such a situation.
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Wouldn't that depend on the meaning of should in each case?woodcutter wrote:Gah! I thought my grasp of Headway Elementary would see me through. Foiled again.
... When we use it in certain situations, like the example provided, it sounds like "everybody". We do not use it that way - it must be replaced by everybody in such a situation.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's....
CONTEXTMAN!
CONTEXTMAN! has to admit that the last offering here makes him feel poetic.
Theme and focus
Sounds quite bogus (near rhyme)
Theme and rheme (not rhyme)
Sounds like a scheme
Scheme skeen
Dream team
Rules are made to be broken (free verse)
peace,
CONTEXTMAN!
CONTEXTMAN! has to admit that the last offering here makes him feel poetic.
Theme and focus
Sounds quite bogus (near rhyme)
Theme and rheme (not rhyme)
Sounds like a scheme
Scheme skeen
Dream team
Rules are made to be broken (free verse)
peace,
CONTEXTMAN!