VoIP is great for communicating but what about educating?

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VoIP is great for communicating but what about educating?

Post by Matty » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:29 am

Hi folks!

I´m new to this forum and I´ve enjoyed reading your very enlightening posts.

There are a lot of posts here about VoIP - i.e. Skype, Messenger, etc. and it seems to me to be an area of great potential that we´ll soon see a lot of ELT companies and schools capitalising on. There´s a lot of hype and a lot of people are getting very excited and it could be very easy to get carried away with ourselves and forget about actually delivering effective, enjoyable language learning experiences to our students.

I´m a teacher working near Barcelona, Spain, and I´m about to start teaching an individual student, partly face-to-face and partly on-line through VoIP, most probably Skype.

I´m already an occasional user of Skype and I know that you can talk, have conference calls, see video, which is usually of very poor quality, chat and send small files, but only when the other person is connected to you.

I don´t however, have any experience of actually trying to teach anyone on-line. Basically, we´re talking about having a student on the phone that you can also send text and small pictures to.

Does anyone out there have any experience of trying to teach like this?

What sorts of activities have you done and how effective were they?

What kinds of resources have you used?

I´d be very interested to find out about your experiences.

Matt :D

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Teaching with VOIP etc.

Post by kathyfelts » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:02 pm

Hi Matty,

A few days ago, I recieved the email copied into the next paragraph. I asked the writer's permisson to include it in a post, though, at the time, I was not sure where it would fit in. As a partial reply to Matty's post, I will copy it here with my response.

"I am a private teacher of English from Spain and I am thinking about starting to teach online both English and Spanish but I don't know how to start. I have got Skype, MSN and AOL, which is the best? I don't know how to design lessons for online students, what are the more important skills and how would you teach them? I'm sorry to bother you but if you could advice me on that I would appreciate it a lot!"

I replied as follows:
What a coincidence! I am homeschooling my daughter, who is a high school senior. One of her tasks today is to find an online Spanish tutor. I asked her to go to www.language-school-teacher.com and look over the profiles of the teachers on that site and pick a few to contact. That would probably be a good place for you to start, too. I suggest that before you start advertising yourself, you educate yourself on the following:

How to design a curriculum which will satisfy the needs and wants of parents, students, and the students' classroom Spanish teachers.

How to make effective use of the Spanish-teaching websites.

How and what other Spanish language teachers are teaching and how they teach.

What books are used in classrooms and the strengths and weakness of each.

The current curricula in the Spanish language classrooms of the students to whom you will teach.

The requirements of the AP Spanish test in the US - a big market.

Professional organizations of Spanish teachers and their activities.

How to detrmine what to charge for your services and how to get paid.

I would be happy to talk to you about this on MSN or Skype. I have college classes starting at 11am my time (GMT-5), and I teach in the mornings between 4am and 10am, with breaks in between. Perhaps we could talk in the morning between the breaks.

Let me know what you think. Perhaps you and my daughter could talk, too, and she could tell you what she is looking for in a Spanish teacher. There is no doubt that there is a market for Spanish teaching online - you just need to be prepared from an instructional and technological standpoint, and then to market yourself well.

The offer stands for anyone who is interested in online teaching.

RE matty's questions about comminication vs educating, I would offer the following: you need to be able to communicate to educate and VOIP services give us that opportunity. While it is true that there many be limitations on the quality of the video (depending on the service and your modem speeds), you can send files by email - not just on the VOIP service. Additionally, you can use desktop sharing, by which you and your student(s) can go to websites together and read, collect info (which you can write down on the whiteboard). Your student can make mini audio recordings, and then save them, and you can both upload and download video content from YouTube.

I have been teaching with a webcam for a couple of years, and it is my experience that this mode of instructional delivery is as good as, if not better than live-and-in-person. An example of how a lesson looks can be seen from a lesson I recently had with a 12-year old. In the course of our studies, we had discussed Hurricane Katina as it took place, as well as its aftermath. We looked at articles and watched videos on the CNN website. Since the Coriolis Effect was a new science concept for the student, we looked at some great animations of this physical phenomenon, and use the whiteboard to draw diagrams and list causes of hurricanes. We looked at maps of the area affected by the huricanne and talked about the plight of the people who lived there. Not long after the huricanne, Aaron Neville's cover of Louisianna came out, so we listened to the song, which the student liked, and he practiced singing it for a week or so. Maybe two months ago, I came across the website of an old New Orleans musician friend of mine, Henry Butler, and my student and I went over there and listened to Herny's cover of the song that starts off,"There's a place for us..." as we watched a slide show of Henry's destroyed house. We also listened to a little more music, with Butler's Boogie, and then over to Wikipedia to read up on Boogie Woogie.

I use a textbook with each of my students, but we spice up the lessons with other studies and info too. Some days we don't even open the book, and instead, do a few lesson's on Pascal's Triangle, or Chinese etymology. He also writes pieces on Korean history and soccer, and has gotten 1,500 views on what he has posted to a forum in just two months! Posting on forums is both motivating and empowering. One day he decided to write his version of novice English - a really silly piece - I admit - and posted it. He was much chagrined to find that 30 people had viewed his post over the weekend, and was very anxious to re-establish his nick - leecue - as an excellent writer of English and a generally knowlegdeble person - by writing a looooong piece about the unluckiest soceer player in the world - which he translated into a dependent clause followed by a comma exercise. He had originally found the info in Korean on www.naver.com.

In short, these online lessons light up my life - a good thing too, since we getstarted way before the sun comes up here in North Carolina. It is true that sometimes we lose the video - or it freezes - ot we lose the audio - but those times are good opportunities to play 20 questions or some other writing game, or to go on scavenger hunts for information such as "Who is the faster runner in the world?' Naturally, we run into questions of "For what distance?" and "according to whom?" - but that is part of English instruction - it just doesn't feel like it.

BTW - go over to www.Tobyscafe.com He has renamed it, but you can use the old name to get there. He has recently started a site to help folks who are interested in online teaching.

Good luck,
Kathy Felts [email protected]

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Post by Matty » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:06 pm

Thanks for the tips Kathy,

I had a look at Toby´s Cafe. It´s got some nice ideas which would be good for conversation practice with confident, talkative students...

...don´t we all wish that all our students were talkative and confident?

Luckily, the student I´ll be teaching is a friend of my boss and we´re doing this as an experiment to explore and evaluate the possibilities of teaching on-line.

I think conversation and listening practice with pictures, audio recordings, conversation sheets, etc. would be pretty easy to do with a minimal amount of preparation. The problem may come when you have to teach a grammar point, such as correct uses of tenses, appropriate use of vocabulary, new vocabulary, etc. In the classroom, you´ve got books, paper, the whiteboard, you can draw, you can roleplay and act and demonstrate which not only makes things clearer, more visceral and easier for the students to remember, it also makes the classes more entertaining - which in private education is a very important consideration!

I just wonder how teachers and teaching materials and techniques will be able to adapt to the distance-learning medium. Off-the-shelf language learning software packages seem to be a much more attractive and cost effective way of studying for a student, and if students decide to have on-line sessions with a tutor as part of a "blended learning" approach, there comes the problem of being able to integrate the on-line activities with whichever software package the student is using - rather like teaching a student who can´t show you his course book!

What do you think about these issues? Do you know if anyone is dealing with these?

Matt

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Good questions!

Post by kathyfelts » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:43 pm

You raised some good points, and you will be happy to know that there are means for addressing them.

First, MSN has a WHITEBOARD.

Go to ACTIONS in the TOOLBAR (at the very top of the window) and click on the ARROW.

From the DROP DOWN MENU, find ACTIONS and click on it. Chose START AN ACTIVITY.

You may need to select a contact - or you may not - Click on the ICON that has a couple of frames of film and a note.

Chose WHITEBOARD.

When you click on the WHITEBOARD option, the user on the other end will get a request to START WHITEBOARD.

The student should ACCEPT.

Then, with any luck - and the right versions of MSN - you and your student will be able to share a WHITEBOARD.

You can both write on it and see it.

Another thing you can do it to SHARE FILES - another option with MSN. You will find the icon - which you can locate by passing you mouse over the toolbar - or by right clicking on the icons - I forget which - maybe both.

Once you get the hang of that, you can move on to DESKTOP SHARING. It is another ACTIVITY. How well this activity works depends on both of your connections, but this tool allows you to see what is on your student's desktop, or allows him or her to see what is on yours. This way, you can pull something up on your screen and share it with your student, or visa-versa. You also have the option of taking or allowing control of each others desktops. You want to be careful uisng that option. You have to be sure that the student will give control back to you.

Another good use for DESKTOP SHARING is that you can troubleshoot for your students. That may be something you want to try later on.

See how that works for you. If you run into any other problems - just post to this forum and I will try to help you. Come back to Dave's when you are ready to address some of your other questions and ask your next questions.

If you prefer to use SKYPE, you can get some tools from www.unyte.com, but you will probably find MSN easier to use -especailly in the beginning. Later on, you may want some info on multi-user video - it is on the web too - free of course.

For more info about the ins and out of online teaching, take a look at our forum - www.eslwebcamforkids.com/forum It is new, but folks are starting to share their questions and concerns.

Good luck!
Kathy Felts

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Mocrosoft stuff...

Post by Matty » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:28 pm

Thanks for that Kathy, you´re a possitive fountain of helpful information.

I checked out Netmeeting, the whiteboard, etc. They look pretty handy and are simple enough to use.

I´ve found transferring files much easier with Skype as all you have to do is drag and drop. The speed of transfer can vary a lot from second to second depending on your internet connection and how many other people are on your server at that particular time.

I also think that having a good database of pre-prepared materials at hand (in a file on the desktop) such as photos, drawings, Flash files, Word files, PDfs, etc. would cover most of the more predictable problems that students might encounter.

I´m also getting pretty handy with Macromedia Flash and you can make some pretty cool interactive files that are only a few kb and you can send them in seconds, rather than minutes. The pre-prepared learning interaction templates are worth a look - drag and drop, multiple choice, type in your answer, true or false, etc. - all very easy to set up.

I guess it´ll take a long time to build up a reasonable set of resources for on-line teaching - we´ve had a highly competitive photocopiable EFL/ESL resources market for a few decades now and most teachers know their way around the best of them. Perhaps some out there is doing this as we speak?

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Flash Templates

Post by kathyfelts » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:33 pm

Hi Matty,

Would you share with us the best place to get Flash templates? As you say, there is loads of material out there for ESL/EFL, but it needs to be repurposed for use online. I am working on some Chinese teaching games and I want check out what is available before I reinvent the wheel. I have loads of stuff bookmarked, but I need to sort it out. If you would be so kind as to start us off a list of links, I will add to it as I am able.

I hope teachers won't get scared off by the mention of Flash - no need to be. Working with some of the easy templates is not harder than entering data into other kinds of fields. I suspect that some of the younger teachers are using myspace and facebook already - so entering data into fields is nothing new.

Thanks,
Kathy Felts
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Flash templates...

Post by Matty » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:48 pm

The question is - "Are you using Flash Professional?"

It makes a big difference if you´ve got it. I´haven´t tried using the basic version but they tell me that it´s pretty limited when you want to add video and interactive learning.

Have you tried playing with the learning interactions that are built in? (I don´t know if they´re included in the basic version, I´ve seen in the help pages that a lot of the features I use are for the full (Professional) version only).

The other thing to do is get signed up to Adobe/Macromedia´s exchange. There´s hundreds of talented people out there giving great stuff away for free. Most of it´s aimed at general web design and development but a lot of it can be adapted for educational purposes.

Good luck!

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