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brownj1594



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: non-native speakers Reply with quote
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quite a lot depends on the candidate's country of origin, and will also be related to where the person studied (what country) and what sort of certification exactly. And measured level of English language skill, naturally.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually it would depend more on country of passport rather than country of origin.

A Mexican born, Spanish speaker who was educated in the US and holding a US passport would, for visa purposes, be an American and classed as a native speaker.

If they were holding a Mexican passport then they would be classed as a non-native speaker and it would be difficult but not impossible to find a job in ESL in Asia as an example and virtually impossible in Europe or the middle east.

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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
tttompatz wrote:
Actually it would depend more on country of passport rather than country of origin.

A Mexican born, Spanish speaker who was educated in the US and holding a US passport would, for visa purposes, be an American and classed as a native speaker.

If they were holding a Mexican passport then they would be classed as a non-native speaker and it would be difficult but not impossible to find a job in ESL in Asia as an example and virtually impossible in Europe or the middle east.

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You'd think so, but, funnily enough, Qatar Petroleum regularly gives direct-hire ESL jobs to non-native-speakers. Along with BAE in Saudi, these jobs are probably the highest-paying ESL jobs in the world. I also know of a college in Qatar that has a large percentage of non-native-speaker ESL teachers, as well.
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Ariadne



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lots of non native speaker English teachers in China too.

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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virtually impossible in Europe


I know quite a few non-native speaking English teachers in Europe. Shocked

I have worked with quite a few German, Spanish, Italian, French, and Dutch English language teachers over the years. And no, they didn't have second passports from Anglophone countries.

They were all European, however, and therefore had a legal right to work in the EU.

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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have to agree with bulgogiboy. Being a non-native speaker with a passport from a non-English speaking country doesn't always disqualify you for Mid East jobs, especially if you have solid credentials/experience. I teach at a Saudi university and there are plenty of EFL teachers from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Some were hired locally, while others arrived from outside the country. Also, employers generally aren't "picky" about nationality if they're trying to hire for hard-to-fill or specialized teaching positions.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Come to Russia! Join the Party!

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
bulgogiboy wrote:
You'd think so, but, funnily enough, Qatar Petroleum regularly gives direct-hire ESL jobs to non-native-speakers. Along with BAE in Saudi, these jobs are probably the highest-paying ESL jobs in the world. I also know of a college in Qatar that has a large percentage of non-native-speaker ESL teachers, as well.


What's the salary package like there?
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hippocampus



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Forgive me if this is too obvious, but couldn't a non-native speaker of English with a degree in pedagogy and English certification get a job in their own native country? But perhaps, I've missed the point? Embarassed
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