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brownj1594
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spiral78
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| Quite a lot depends on the candidate's country of origin, and will also be related to where the person studied (what country) and what sort of certification exactly. And measured level of English language skill, naturally. |
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tttompatz
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Actually it would depend more on country of passport rather than country of origin.
A Mexican born, Spanish speaker who was educated in the US and holding a US passport would, for visa purposes, be an American and classed as a native speaker.
If they were holding a Mexican passport then they would be classed as a non-native speaker and it would be difficult but not impossible to find a job in ESL in Asia as an example and virtually impossible in Europe or the middle east.
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bulgogiboy
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| tttompatz wrote: |
Actually it would depend more on country of passport rather than country of origin.
A Mexican born, Spanish speaker who was educated in the US and holding a US passport would, for visa purposes, be an American and classed as a native speaker.
If they were holding a Mexican passport then they would be classed as a non-native speaker and it would be difficult but not impossible to find a job in ESL in Asia as an example and virtually impossible in Europe or the middle east.
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You'd think so, but, funnily enough, Qatar Petroleum regularly gives direct-hire ESL jobs to non-native-speakers. Along with BAE in Saudi, these jobs are probably the highest-paying ESL jobs in the world. I also know of a college in Qatar that has a large percentage of non-native-speaker ESL teachers, as well. |
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Ariadne
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Lots of non native speaker English teachers in China too.
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spiral78
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| virtually impossible in Europe |
I know quite a few non-native speaking English teachers in Europe. 
I have worked with quite a few German, Spanish, Italian, French, and Dutch English language teachers over the years. And no, they didn't have second passports from Anglophone countries.
They were all European, however, and therefore had a legal right to work in the EU.
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nomad soul
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| I have to agree with bulgogiboy. Being a non-native speaker with a passport from a non-English speaking country doesn't always disqualify you for Mid East jobs, especially if you have solid credentials/experience. I teach at a Saudi university and there are plenty of EFL teachers from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Some were hired locally, while others arrived from outside the country. Also, employers generally aren't "picky" about nationality if they're trying to hire for hard-to-fill or specialized teaching positions. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| bulgogiboy wrote: |
| You'd think so, but, funnily enough, Qatar Petroleum regularly gives direct-hire ESL jobs to non-native-speakers. Along with BAE in Saudi, these jobs are probably the highest-paying ESL jobs in the world. I also know of a college in Qatar that has a large percentage of non-native-speaker ESL teachers, as well. |
What's the salary package like there? |
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hippocampus
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Forgive me if this is too obvious, but couldn't a non-native speaker of English with a degree in pedagogy and English certification get a job in their own native country? But perhaps, I've missed the point?  |
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tttompatz
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| hippocampus wrote: |
| Forgive me if this is too obvious, but couldn't a non-native speaker of English with a degree in pedagogy and English certification get a job in their own native country? But perhaps, I've missed the point? |
Yes, they could.
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coledavis
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| hippocampus wrote: |
| Forgive me if this is too obvious, but couldn't a non-native speaker of English with a degree in pedagogy and English certification get a job in their own native country? But perhaps, I've missed the point? |
Yes, they could.
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Yes. I can offer jobs to Russians, but not to native speakers. |
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bulgogiboy
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| bulgogiboy wrote: |
| You'd think so, but, funnily enough, Qatar Petroleum regularly gives direct-hire ESL jobs to non-native-speakers. Along with BAE in Saudi, these jobs are probably the highest-paying ESL jobs in the world. I also know of a college in Qatar that has a large percentage of non-native-speaker ESL teachers, as well. |
What's the salary package like there? |
I have a friend who works there. Basic salary plus transport allowance starts at about US$5000, plus a very generous housing allowance of almost US$2000 a month. The downside is you have to work at QP!  Still, for a rank and file ESL instructor, it's one of the highest-paid jobs you will ever find. There are non-native-speaker ESL teachers there who are laughing,at least financially. |
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