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[Non Sequitur]

[Shroob]

[Non Sequitur]

As mentioned, I was thinking about 'polls generally'.
In a recent poll I conducted, which would have been applicable even to people who hadn't started teaching yet, the skew between readers and answerers was even more profound than this one.

[Denim-Maniac]

Remember each time you come back and look it probably counts as another 'view'. Ive participated, posted and come back and read updated posts twice.

[GeminiTiger]

I've run a few polls and I consider the "opt out" option to be important.

ie, the last choice is either "None of the above options apply or I don't want to participate in this poll".

:p

I voted "No, but I have sincerely considered it" because every day I am wishing to be somewhere else this term..

[GreatApe]

I'm not criticizing the poll, but I do agree that it needs to be more "nuanced." Four options are not enough, although it's a really good topic and interesting to see how many of us read or interpreted the poll a little differently in terms of the language used, the ideas of a contract, contract and exit negotiations, release letters, etc.

I read the poll and answered it according to the idea "have you ever left early?" ... I've had three jobs in China so far and left early twice, so I answered "more than once." Having said that, I've never pulled a "runner" ... I gave ample notification for leaving both times. Technically, however, I didn't reach the end-date of the contract in either case, so I chose the "left early twice" option in the poll.

In the first case, I gave more than 30 days notice and left because the school had me work on a Tourist visa while they did the paperwork for my Z visa. They lied to me and told me I could work while the Z visa paperwork was filed and being processed. I quickly learned that that is NOT the case. My contract with them was for 18 months, but I left after 8.

In the second case, I left exactly 17 days before my contract expired, but I finished the teaching term before I left and I let them know a month ahead of time that I would have to leave early.

It's interesting that I've never asked for, or received, or NEEDED any "release papers." I've only worked in two different provinces, but this has never been a problem for me. It's pretty cool to read about how so many different teachers from so many different places have had so many different experiences when it comes to working in the PRC. ... T.I.C.!

--GA

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[haleynicole14]

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The Chinese would hardly devote considerable resources to the black list, which is designed to deter runners and suchlike, if at the same time they wanted people to go.
But in this 'everything is relative' world 'opinions' count as 'facts', so maybe your informant is also correct.

[GreatApe]

haleynicole14 wrote:

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I think breaking with a school that wants you to work on an 'L' visa, is an easier option than other situations.
They can hardly bring your misdeeds to the attention of the PSB, as they don't have the right to hire a foreigner in the first place.
If you leave for the 'L' visa problem, I expect you still have to apply to your next legit school from outside PRC, so you're screwed again.
This is a good thread and I hope newbies reading this stuff will get further reinforcement about the tourist visa 'no-no'.
That said, I fully expect a new thread soon headed 'Is it OK to work on a tourist visa?'

[fat_chris]

[ecubyrd]

[DosEquisX]

I only knew one person that did and that was due to his mother being sick. He finished all of his work and submitted all grades though.

I would consider leaving early in some situations, but I have been lucky with my jobs and have not had to consider it thus far.

[NoBillyNO]