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jpcharby
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I was just wondering what the visa reqs were for teaching in China
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Denim-Maniac
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The research should have quickly led you to the conclusion that yes, a bachelors degree is one of the legal requirements for the correct visa and working permit in China. That is a national requirement and doesnt vary according to province.
Are people working in China without a degree? Yes. Some may be working on the wrong visa type. Obviously that may come with some risks. Others may be working on the correct visa type, but one that has been obtained by fraudulent means. |
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just another laowai
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Entirely possible to get a legit working status visa/permit in China without a BA. However that's up to the company to go to bat for you and show that they need you enough. Generally not possible without either a senior position/lots of experience or a hefty chunk of money spent on a lawyer to sort it out (not including the inevitable bribe).
For english teachers, generally impossible. |
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FlyingJames
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I thought you need a bachelor degree for your Z Visa application process. The government wouldn't likely issue a working permit without a degree. I'm working through this currently, and it's defiantly required for my province. However, I can't speak for the rest of the country.
In saying that, every single job advertisement for English teachers that I have seen clearly states you need a degree. It's a general requirement. All the best for your China job hunt  |
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jpcharby
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jpcharby
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Also thanks for the replies guys. I love the community support when it comes to this sort of thing. Great info |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| So yea, the general consensus I'm seeing is that you need a Bachelor's degree to get a Z visa. A shame considering I spent the last few years getting my college diploma (if your American that means associates degree) so that I can teach abroad, not realizing it won't get me anywhere. I've had job offers(not directly from schools), all promising Z visa's. Do they realize getting me a Z visa is not possible? |
It's never impossible. More difficult, but not impossible. |
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Non Sequitur
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I got my first job with a diploma.
My advice is get applying asap as your search may take a little longer.
Look at vocational and other provincial-level outfits. Their pay rates are actually not too much different to the nationally ranked schools. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| jpcharby wrote: |
| So yea, the general consensus I'm seeing is that you need a Bachelor's degree to get a Z visa. A shame considering I spent the last few years getting my college diploma (if your American that means associates degree) so that I can teach abroad, not realizing it won't get me anywhere. I've had job offers(not directly from schools), all promising Z visa's. Do they realize getting me a Z visa is not possible? |
Incorrect.
Over the years, I have met too many ESL teachers with no experience let alone degree. And they all but a few had a proper visa. |
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muffintop
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| jpcharby wrote: |
| So yea, the general consensus I'm seeing is that you need a Bachelor's degree to get a Z visa. A shame considering I spent the last few years getting my college diploma (if your American that means associates degree) so that I can teach abroad, not realizing it won't get me anywhere. I've had job offers(not directly from schools), all promising Z visa's. Do they realize getting me a Z visa is not possible? |
There is something to be said for a quality edumidication. 
...and getting you a Z visa is certainly possible though you may be out of luck on some of the locations where rules are applied with more vigor. However, unless you are talking to a school directly you should likely consider everything they tell you to be blowing smoke up your.....
Remember, they have not a single thing to lose if the school rejects you once you are here. Next thing you know you are teaching preschool for 20 hours on the weekend with an F or tourist visa. |
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Denim-Maniac
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My impression is that the visa may be gotten by less than honest means. A fake degree certificate forexample. And that may never be found out or rumbled and you may renew a contract quite happily ... but what happens when you want to move on. The next employer might not be able to 'fix' the problem, and everything you have built up goes pop quite quickly then.
If the OP manages to get a job and visa on the back of the college certificate / associates degree thats all well and good, but its the next job that might pose the problem. Its very unlikely visa regulations or requirements are going to be lowered, so anyone planning on teaching for a while needs to be working towards minimum qualifications really. |
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muffintop
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| Denim-Maniac wrote: |
My impression is that the visa may be gotten by less than honest means. A fake degree certificate forexample. And that may never be found out or rumbled and you may renew a contract quite happily ... but what happens when you want to move on. The next employer might not be able to 'fix' the problem, and everything you have built up goes pop quite quickly then.
If the OP manages to get a job and visa on the back of the college certificate / associates degree thats all well and good, but its the next job that might pose the problem. Its very unlikely visa regulations or requirements are going to be lowered, so anyone planning on teaching for a while needs to be working towards minimum qualifications really. |
If you do not need to redo the paperwork because you left the country for a time I do not believe they recheck anything when processing a renewal. So if you get one Z visa and RP you'll likely keep getting them. |
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kungfuman
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I found out AFTER I started working that my current school was not my legal employer. Seems thay had been in business only a year and could not legally get Resident Permits for their 25+ foreign teachers so they used another school to get the visas.
It wasn't a secret by the way. They told us that this year - their second year in business - they are legally allowed to get resident permits for thier teachers. The only drawback for us is we have to start the process from Square One - new medical check but no HK run as we just have to go to the PSB with the proper docs etc. This has been proven by the guy in the desk next to me who detailed what he had to do for his new RP. School paid all the fees as well.
I like my school so I am going to ask them to get me a 2 year RP when renewal time comes around. |
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NoBillyNO
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| I like my school so I am going to ask them to get me a 2 year RP when renewal time comes around. |
From what I understand, a two year contract must be filed with the request. |
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just another laowai
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| I like my school so I am going to ask them to get me a 2 year RP when renewal time comes around. |
From what I understand, a two year contract must be filed with the request. |
It doesn't work that way at all. Anything beyond 1-year RP is not just handed out like candy. Senior positions (like being a legal rep of the company or GM) can get them. Beyond that it's even more stringent. You can have a 10 year contract as a teacher, and you will still be renewing every year. |
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