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Saudi - Student Centered Classrooms?

 
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JamaicaBob



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:25 am    Post subject: Saudi - Student Centered Classrooms? Reply with quote

Do the heads of English departments at Saudi Universities expect their teachers to run student centered classrooms using modern CELTA and other ESL approaches, and are teachers evaluated on this?

Please be frank. I'm interested in knowing "the real world" of Saudi classrooms, not an idealized one. I'm trying to understand expectations vs. reality.

Thank you.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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abayababy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The expectation where I work is that you will run a student-centered class using the communicative language teaching approach. The reality is that these students are not capable even of arranging themselves into a circle.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear abayababy,

Maybe not, but these guys can line dance pretty well.

Perhaps some music would help Very Happy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSOCIGEw6KM

Gangnam style, maybe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWgbKQee_h4


Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Regards,
John
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the good laugh John. The tape of the young women reminded me of the many real characters hidden under all those black veils. Laughing

Now... back to the topic...

VS
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked that guy front left on the dance line and his gangsta crotch-grab. Doubt that's what he intended Laughing

Oh, sorry. Topic.

Student-centred. I teach 'em outside their natural habitat. We can sorta make them blend in with the rest of the students, who are used to it. Would be very difficult in an all-Saudi classroom.
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JamaicaBob



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your comments. What I hear from guys so far is that teaching Saudi students in modern student centered and communicative ways is not the reality for the classroom in any strong way.

So, frankly speaking, when you are evaluated every so often by the department head or whoever does the observation of you, is this simply a time to be given some encouragement and perhaps a couple ideas to use in the classroom, with no real fears of being fired for not have a solidly run communicative style classroom?
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamaicaBob wrote:
Thanks for your comments. What I hear from guys so far is that teaching Saudi students in modern student centered and communicative ways is not the reality for the classroom in any strong way.

So, frankly speaking, when you are evaluated every so often by the department head or whoever does the observation of you, is this simply a time to be given some encouragement and perhaps a couple ideas to use in the classroom, with no real fears of being fired for not have a solidly run communicative style classroom?


I think alot depends on the institution, the number and level of students. In general, most Saudi students are not used to student centered lessons/activities, but that doesn't mean the teacher should shy away from implementing such teaching strategies. I think alot of universities/ colleges like to see you using (or at least attempting / experimenting with) a variety of teaching methods.

In my opinion, if you consistently utilize a variety of teaching methods you stand a better chance of demonstrating your teaching skills during a class observation.

If you have never introduced a student centered lesson then all of a sudden do so during a class observation you could screw up big time.
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