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[JoeKing]

This popped up this morning on the little QQ window that opens when I start my computer, and I re-post it not to sensationalize the deportation, but because I thought the fines and penalties for illegal teaching may be interesting to some, including the one given to the school. Would the fine given to the school be considered tough, or just a slap on the wrist?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-12/11/content_17168604.htm

"A foreigner in Beijing has been given a 12-day detention and a fine of 6,500 yuan ($1,070) for traffic violations and illegal employment and will be deported along with his father after serving the term, said police on Wednesday.
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"Police also found that the man and his father were working illegally. So he was detained for another 5 days and fined 5,000 yuan; his father was detained for 14 days and fined 10,000 yuan. The company that illegally hired the pair fined up to 20,000 yuan.

Both the man and his father are to be deported on their release, the police said.

The police said expatriates in China should comply with the country's laws and regulations. Police protect their rights, but they will also keep lawful management of them and crack down on illegal behavior to maintain social order. "

[JoeKing]

I just noticed that there is a video of the scooter incident on the thread started by NoBillyNo.

[wonderingjoesmith]

I find this article, which I've used a quote from on the other off topic thread, interesting for one reason. In Guangzhou, there are scores of illegal foreign workers who apparently even pay their taxes. Those foreigners clearly support the local economy and so make the authorities accomplices in whatever wrongdoing there is. Some, to my knowledge, even get their bank loans for cars (or scooters) and appartments, and their purchases may well result in tax collection by the officials too. Anyhow, losing the little in form of monthly payments isn't probably as serious as unwillingly dropping the rights to ownerships of vehicles or homes that to the powers have been obtained "illegally".

[JoeKing]

[Non Sequitur]

[Markness]

Yeah it's bullshit. I don't know why the hell they don't modernize their visa system, especially when it comes to dealing with people who provide their people with a skill. Why dance around the fire with this stuff? We're here to work/teach, give us the damn visa. It's exceptionally annoying as when the "guanxi" disapears from these illegal employers, you're left with a person who was just trying to make a living having to pay fines even though he was doing the country good. Absolutely stupid. (Not to say that it was an absolute guarantee that this person was a stand-up person that wasn't worthy of the boot), who's to say?

[roadwalker]

China's system is fairly straightforward for getting a work visa. The fact that there are workarounds seems to confuse people and lead the gullible into foolish ends. The quicker that they tighten up the execution of the visa procedures, the quicker it will become better known not to listen to someone promising a job on a tourist visa. That promise in itself should be a violation.

I saw the tape and can't believe that the guy was acting so victimy and even showing his dirty word fluency. I would like to see open borders and don't really like deportation for solving social issues, but no sympathy for this guy being deported. Jail time seems harsh though, even for a few days.

[choudoufu]

[wonderingjoesmith]