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Juice
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rioux
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Michelle Wang of China Wolf Job Recruiters sounds like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Thanks for the info. |
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Bud Powell
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Sure, there are some scumbags out there. I'm always amazed that some people are willing to travel to the other side of the earth in search of a job or a school, or are very willing to accept the word of someone whom they don't know there, yet they wouldn't think of doing something similar in their own countries.
Worse, there are people who neither consider the possibility that they are being lied to, nor consider the possibility that there are questions that they should ask and their answers confirmed by a second source. Where would one turn if he is an American?
OMG! It's right here:
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/visas/faq/
Yowza, Boss, here's the big picture:
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/visas/
Sorry, no sympathy from me. If it happened to you in your own country, you could probably bear to shoulder the blame. But no, you chose to spin the wheel and come to China. Things couldn't be any worse, could they?
You found out that they can be worse. |
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Juice
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:51 am Post subject: China Foreign Teachers: Do Not Believe Job Agents About Visa |
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Everything Mr. Powell says is absolutely true. But in our country recruiters are licensed and regulated and if they pulled this shit in the West they could be sued and prosecuted. This lack of ACCOUNTABILITY is the real problem. Chinese recruiters could rip off foreigners 24/7/365 and the Chinese government simply does not care.
http://scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=84192 |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:27 am Post subject: Re: China Foreign Teachers: Do Not Believe Job Agents About |
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| Juice wrote: |
Everything Mr. Powell says is absolutely true. But in our country recruiters are licensed and regulated and if they pulled this shit in the West they could be sued and prosecuted. This lack of ACCOUNTABILITY is the real problem. Chinese recruiters could rip off foreigners 24/7/365 and the Chinese government simply does not care.
http://scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=84192 |
The lack of accountability, etc. is something that someone finds out about AFTER one allows himself to be screwed. Mommy doesn't work in China, so one must think for himself. Moving to China is an adult decision that should be carefully considered and planned.
Believe it or not, NONE of the FTs in public universities where I've taught have EVER had the problems related in this forum by young first-timers who seem to have no fear of the realm of the possibility. Why? Older folks look before they leap. It really doesn't take much to sort the bad recruiters from the good. I have the feeling that a lot of the people who come to China and find themselves in major pickles over and over again experienced the same problems in spades back home. The difference between their never-ending odds with the status quo in China and that of their home country is that back home they can't be sent anywhere to straighten things out except to the street or to jail, or back to mommy and daddy.
The incessant, personal ax-grinding about recruiters should cease very soon. It is annoying, and that is is not the purpose of the forum. Sure, complain about a problem. Alert others. Take the opinions of others, then move on. Stop the harping.
I don't understand the recent vehement attacks on recruiters during the past few months. It seems to be a concerted effort by a small group or perhaps the effort of one person. I don't see the same number of attacks on other forums. |
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Shroob
Joined: 02 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:53 am Post subject: Re: China Foreign Teachers: Do Not Believe Job Agents About |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
I don't understand the recent vehement attacks on recruiters during the past few months. It seems to be a concerted effort by a small group or perhaps the effort of one person. I don't see the same number of attacks on other forums. |
There is definitely one person posting on these boards trying to promote the 'China Foreign Teacher Union' or something like that. Their posts are easy to spot and get old really quickly.
As for the attacks on recruiters, I understand them. Whilst I entirely agree people should do their research before coming here e.g. Z visa, know the requirements, get it in writing, check out the employer, etc. I do actually know of a person who was scammed by a recruiter and came did all of the above. Coming here will always involve some risk, it's up to the person to do their research, I have no sympathy that come here without doing so, which is probably 99% of the people who complain.
However, like the person I mentioned earlier, who got screwed over by a recruiter/FAO, sometimes their complaining is justified. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: China Foreign Teachers: Do Not Believe Job Agents About |
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| Shroob wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
I don't understand the recent vehement attacks on recruiters during the past few months. It seems to be a concerted effort by a small group or perhaps the effort of one person. I don't see the same number of attacks on other forums. |
There is definitely one person posting on these boards trying to promote the 'China Foreign Teacher Union' or something like that. Their posts are easy to spot and get old really quickly.
As for the attacks on recruiters, I understand them. Whilst I entirely agree people should do their research before coming here e.g. Z visa, know the requirements, get it in writing, check out the employer, etc. I do actually know of a person who was scammed by a recruiter and came did all of the above. Coming here will always involve some risk, it's up to the person to do their research, I have no sympathy that come here without doing so, which is probably 99% of the people who complain.
However, like the person I mentioned earlier, who got screwed over by a recruiter/FAO, sometimes their complaining is justified. |
Like I said though, get legal or get out. Not much thought needs to go into it. If being illegal is acceptable, that is the choice. |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: China Foreign Teachers: Do Not Believe Job Agents About |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
| Shroob wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
I don't understand the recent vehement attacks on recruiters during the past few months. It seems to be a concerted effort by a small group or perhaps the effort of one person. I don't see the same number of attacks on other forums. |
There is definitely one person posting on t | | | | |
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