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Bud Powell
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| Highlander.Mark wrote: |
True but for someone sitting at home thinking of making the leap it might be enough for them to send it to recruiter and if the recruiter isnt legit could be end of conversation and lucky escape for newbie |
Any recruiter (legitimate or not) and any FAO who received that letter or any permutation would relegate the applicant's resume to the circular file.
Would you send a similar letter to a prospective employer in your home country? How do you think it would be received? |
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Highlander.Mark
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| Highlander.Mark wrote: |
True but for someone sitting at home thinking of making the leap it might be enough for them to send it to recruiter and if the recruiter isnt legit could be end of conversation and lucky escape for newbie |
Any recruiter (legitimate or not) and any FAO who received that letter or any permutation would relegate the applicant's resume to the circular file.
Would you send a similar letter to a prospective employer in your home country? How do you think it would be received? |
Well if thats the case so be it, the search goes on
We are talking about recruiters here not a direct employer. If I was to use a recruiter I probably wouldnt ask for such information because I have confidence that the system is transparent in my country. However in a country where there are many illegal operations and many pit falls I would use every tool at my disposal to try to best protect my interests |
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Alien abductee
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As far as tools go this form is about as useful as a ball peen hammer when you need to tighten a screw.
There are better ways to figure things out. |
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Highlander.Mark
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| Alien abductee wrote: |
As far as tools go this form is about as useful as a ball peen hammer when you need to tighten a screw.
There are better ways to figure things out. |
Yep... I dont recall saying there were no better ways to figure it out
All I am doing is making a suggestion some may find useful (I would of felt more confident with some sort of recruiter verification) |
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buravirgil
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| (I would of felt more confident with some sort of recruiter verification) |
would of in place of would have is practically a demographic marker and some argue an issue of learning style. Did you graduate highschool after 2000? I ask because I maintain a pet theory that every educational reform implemented by curriculum designers makes gains, but losses as well. Even a focus can produce regressions. Past modals receive so much attention, and yet your error is common. Every generation of learners has these. This one attracts a lot of attention; Check out this search. |
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likwid_777
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| Yes, the problem is that most people pronounce "would have" in a lazy manner, which sounds exactly like "would of". Indeed it is extremely common, and from what I have seen on social media, "would of" is probably more common than the correct way of penning it. |
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AndrewRgr806
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Highlander.Mark wrote: |
| (I would of felt more confident with some sort of recruiter verification) |
would of in place of would have is practically a demographic marker and some argue an issue of learning style. Did you graduate highschool after 2000? I ask because I maintain a pet theory that every educational reform implemented by curriculum designers makes gains, but losses as well. Even a focus can produce regressions. Past modals receive so much attention, and yet your error is common. Every generation of learners has these. This one attracts a lot of attention; Check out this search. |
You have a pet theory? Most people are happy with a cat, dog, or perhaps a goldfish. Do you need a licence for that? |
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buravirgil
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| You have a pet theory? |
Okay...a protracted set of qualms.
Cha cha cha |
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Buckeye Bob
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| Highlander.Mark wrote: |
True but for someone sitting at home thinking of making the leap it might be enough for them to send it to recruiter and if the recruiter isnt legit could be end of conversation and lucky escape for newbie |
Any recruiter (legitimate or not) and any FAO who received that letter or any permutation would relegate the applicant's resume to the circular file.
Would you send a similar letter to a prospective employer in your home country? How do you think it would be received? |
Hmmm... after perusing this letter I think it is damn good idea that needs to be toned down a bit. Most recruiters must know by now that they are not trusted, so the chance to prove their legitimacy would be welcomed by those that are licensed and operating in an ethical fashion. |
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The_Kong
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| Buckeye Bob wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
| Highlander.Mark wrote: |
True but for someone sitting at home thinking of making the leap it might be enough for them to send it to recruiter and if the recruiter isnt legit could be end of conversation and lucky escape for newbie |
Any recruiter (legitimate or not) and any FAO who received that letter or any permutation would relegate the applicant's resume to the circular file.
Would you send a similar letter to a prospective employer in your home country? How do you think it would be received? |
Hmmm... after perusing this letter I think it is damn good idea that needs to be toned down a bit. Most recruiters must know by now that they are not trusted, so the chance to prove their legitimacy would be welcomed by those that are licensed and operating in an ethical fashion. |
You are so far from reality Juice. |
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Buckeye Bob
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| The_Kong wrote: |
| Buckeye Bob wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
| Highlander.Mark wrote: |
True but for someone sitting at home thinking of making the leap it might be enough for them to send it to recruiter and if the recruiter isnt legit could be end of conversation and lucky escape for newbie |
Any recruiter (legitimate or not) and any FAO who received that letter or any permutation would relegate the applicant's resume to the circular file.
Would you send a similar letter to a prospective employer in your home country? How do you think it would be received? |
Hmmm... after perusing this letter I think it is damn good idea that needs to be toned down a bit. Most recruiters must know by now that they are not trusted, so the chance to prove their legitimacy would be welcomed by those that are licensed and operating in an ethical fashion. |
You are so far from reality Juice. |
Okay Kong, if YOU had to use a recruiter or agent, what is the quicker more effective way YOU would check their legitimacy? |
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Bud Powell
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Okay Kong, if YOU had to use a recruiter or agent, what is the quicker more effective way YOU would check their legitimacy? |
I'm not Kong, but I did stay in a LaQuinta a few months ago.
If one does his homework, reads the various agents' websites, reads several forums, reads the CHINESE CONSULATE PAGE ABOUT VISAS, and subscribes to recruiting services, he gets a pretty good idea of how some of these operations work.
There's no formula for intuition and no substitute for doing one's homework.
Some people won't take a bus to the next city in their home countries to investigate a job until they call and get answers to their questions (if they ask or go at all), yet they'll sign a contract to work a job in a foreign country whose culture is VERY foreign from their own, ask few questions regarding the legality of their work status, then complain when they get burned when they get there.
Ain't that sumpin' ?
This thread needs to be flushed too. |
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The_Kong
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Okay Kong, if YOU had to use a recruiter or agent, what is the quicker more effective way YOU would check their legitimacy? |
I'm not Kong, but I did stay in a LaQuinta a few months ago.
If one does his homework, reads the various agents' websites, reads several forums, reads the CHINESE CONSULATE PAGE ABOUT VISAS, and subscribes to recruiting services, he gets a pretty good idea of how some of these operations work.
There's no formula for intuition and no substitute for doing one's homework.
Some people won't take a bus to the next city in their home countries to investigate a job until they call and get answers to their questions (if they ask or go at all), yet they'll sign a contract to work a job in a foreign country whose culture is VERY foreign from their own, ask few questions regarding the legality of their work status, then complain when they get burned when they get there.
Ain't that sumpin' ?
This thread needs to be flushed too. |
Yup, that's what I'd do if I were to use a recruiter. I would heavily advise against someone using a recruiter if they can avoid it.
Contacting schools directly would be my first choice, although I did use a great recruiting agency my first year. Footprints recruiting from Canada. |
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Buckeye Bob
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| The_Kong wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
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Okay Kong, if YOU had to use a recruiter or agent, what is the quicker more effective way YOU would check their legitimacy? |
I'm not Kong, but I did stay in a LaQuinta a few months ago.
If one does his homework, reads the various agents' websites, reads several forums, reads the CHINESE CONSULATE PAGE ABOUT VISAS, and subscribes to recruiting services, he gets a pretty good idea of how some of these operations work.
There's no formula for intuition and no substitute for doing one's homework.
Some people won't take a bus to the next city in their home countries to investigate a job until they call and get answers to their questions (if they ask or go at all), yet they'll sign a contract to work a job in a foreign country whose culture is VERY foreign from their own, ask few questions regarding the legality of their work status, then complain when they get burned when they get there.
Ain't that sumpin' ?
This thread needs to be flushed too. |
Yup, that's what I'd do if I were to use a recruiter. I would heavily advise against someone using a recruiter if they can avoid it.
Contacting schools directly would be my first choice, although I did use a great recruiting agency my first year. Footprints recruiting from Canada. |
Hot damn! We finally agree on something here. Recruiters are not needed at all. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hot damn! We finally agree on something here. Recruiters are not needed at all. |
Bucky,
Schools lie too.
Been there. Done that.
Recruiters have their place and use.
One can get into big trouble if the school lies and says that you don't need a Z visa or that it'll supply one upon your arrival.
'Nuff said.
This is a very worn-out subject that should be flushed. |
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