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yep
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I think all of these details will vary wildly from college to college. It boils down to what most people say here, Is it a good deal for you?
I just want people to know there is another option besides Uni open to both guys and girls. |
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scot47
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I need clarification on
"24,000 all in"
What doers that mean ? |
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currentaffairs
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| Yes, that figure is somewhat misleading. I interviewed with Pearson and the wage was average compared with other companies/universities. You have to pay for your flights, accommodation, transport and so on. Everything goes into that figure and the basic pay would be fairly standard. Direct flights alone would be 1000 pounds each way on the regular carriers to London. |
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scot47
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So he gets 24,000 Saudi Riyals ( Not Slobodan Grotniks) and out of the he pays for tickets, accommodation and all the rest ?
Sounds like a bum deal.
With a Govt Uni direct-hire contract you would be doing better than that and would also have some security of employment. Plus good vacations during which salary would be paid. |
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balqis
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And this takeover by a German company, is it going to happen as a reward to Pearson, who did such a great job that almost all teachers left, and therefore they have lost the contract?
And the retention rate, especially on the female campus, how high is it??
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yep
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Currentaffairs pays 2000 pound for a return flight to London?
I think the freedom to do as you wish with the money is better. Are there restrictions on where you can fly with Uni provided yearly flights? Also i'm happy not to be in company provided accommodation.
Pearson decided they couldnt make the business work with the way they are awarded funds from colleges of excellence.
Job security is an issue, even though we were on indefinite contracts. |
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scot47
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| Is security of employment not a factor to consider ? Continuity ? My feeling is that direct-hire uni jobs are most likely to offer medium to long-tern jobs. Not so many teachers are now staying for 10 or 15 years but it would be nice to have the chance to do that. |
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nwtefl
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| Surely the concept of job security is as tenuous overseas as it is in the UK. It's all sessional, maybe contracts if you are lucky, and private companies in universities calling the tune here. Money has never spoken so loudly as it does now in UK HE. |
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currentaffairs
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| yep wrote: |
| Currentaffairs pays 2000 pound for a return flight to London |
I just looked at the price for a flight to Riyadh from London direct with BA economy class in August. It is actually 1200 pounds if you check.
I don't think you could buy a fixed return if you are not coming back until the following summer. An open return would be fairly expensive. Sure, you could fly with a cheaper carrier (like Turkish airlines) and change flights somewhere but not ideal. I would want to fly direct personally. Also, if you sign a contract in May with Pearson and look for a flight in August you are easily going to pay 700 pounds to get to Saudi.. I always told my employer to fly me direct with Saudi Airlines to/from London. |
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akoo1
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| Well at least we dispelled the myth that nobody ever tells us the name of the company they work if getting a high salary. But, I still don't know what the base salary is or number of teaching hours? |
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nomad soul
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| Well at least we dispelled the myth that nobody ever tells us the name of the company they work if getting a high salary. |
Not really. As currentaffairs stated, the actual salary is average and not high once all the stipends, airfare, and possibly visa/iqama processing costs are stripped out. Besides, high pay wouldn't be justified since this is one of the umpteen Saudi vocational schools (http://coe.com.sa/AboutUse.aspx), which offer classes on makeup, fashion, retail, IT, electrical technology, food production, finance, tourism, etc., as opposed to an institute of higher learning. Anyway, those interested can apply and find out that info for themselves. |
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yep
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akoo1 That is the job, except I receive housing allowance rather than provided.
Nomad, Why do you think higher pay is not justified in vocational education? |
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kiwiinksa
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| BajaLaJaula wrote: |
Yes...true.
And now you can boast of having an MA in TEFL.
At least you can make some more money...That's why teachers get into the profession after all...to make money.
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There is nothing like a person who can generalise every situation to know exactly what people's motivations are.
I have an M Ed in TESOL, and 18 extremely motivated and successful students that would tell you, you're wrong. But of course, you're right. |
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nomad soul
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| yep wrote: |
| Nomad, Why do you think higher pay is not justified in vocational education? |
Because these vocational schools are all independently run by private foreign education/training companies (http://coe.com.sa/partnerse.aspx), each with their own business operating costs as well as revenue-generating interests.
By the way, are you currently in KSA working, or will you be starting the job within the next few months? |
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Gamajorba
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| currentaffairs wrote: |
| yep wrote: |
| Currentaffairs pays 2000 pound for a return flight to London |
I just looked at the price for a flight to Riyadh from London direct with BA economy class in August. It is actually 1200 pounds if you check.
I don't think you could buy a fixed return if you are not coming back until the following summer. An open return would be fairly expensive. Sure, you could fly with a cheaper carrier (like Turkish airlines) and change flights somewhere but not ideal. I would want to fly direct personally. Also, if you sign a contract in May with Pearson and look for a flight in August you are easily going to pay 700 pounds to get to Saudi.. I always told my employer to fly me direct with Saudi Airlines to/from London. |
Depends on the time of year, days etc all those other variables. I flew back to Manchester for a family emergency, booking the flight only hours before flying and it only set me back about £400. And that was BA as well (for once the cheapest option), however, most of the time BA ends up being the most expensive way back to London usually! |
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