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The right and wrong reasons for getting into the ESL field?
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the heat of the moment wrote:
That's all well and good, granddad, but I think the point of this thread is to give present, potential TEFLers some help and not a history lesson in 17th Century migration.


I’m not always a scot47 fan either, but look again at your above response in a day or two.

johnslat wrote:
For many, TEFLing means making "short-term" friends, again and again.

But that has exceptions. I'm still friends with colleagues from decades ago. And not just though e-mail. There have been visits, back and forth.


Dear John

From little acorns, mighty oaks grow, and as I can’t think of a better phrase, I mean to say that short-term “friends” can become real friends as I imagine you know. Even I, an office saddo, still have TEFL friends from fifteen years ago.

I also have a wife, but this was clearly a wrong reason for TEFLing, so I’m too ashamed to discuss further.
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In the heat of the moment



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnzaExo wrote:
I have a really independent personality so I don't think that will be a a problem Very Happy I also really want to experience living in a new country and this seems like the best way to do so.

I've pretty much determined this is the path for me right now. I'm currently saving up for the CELTA and am starting to learn the local language. Hopefully within six months I can make the move!


Good for you, AnzaExo, have you lived in or been exposed to other countries or cultures? It's not a 'done deal' either way but it'll help when you make the move if you've had some experience of other cultures.

Also, do your research on the school: Personally, I could live in the arsehole of the armpit of the back of beyond if I have a very supportive faculty and a good apartment. I've had a freezing apartment but really engaged colleagues and students (good), a comfortable apartment but the management were nasty and some dickish colleagues and students (very bad), a suitable apartment and very good faculty and students (nice), and a gross apartment, great faculty and lovely students (bad).
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In the heat of the moment



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
I’m not always a scot47 fan either, but look again at your above response in a day or two.


17th Century? Maybe I should have said 15th.... Laughing We're talking about new teachers, I responded to scot's quote of "40 years" in a mildly amusing way, thinking I was responding in kind to his self-depreciating tone. He has a hell of a lot of experience, but maybe not every moment he's had is appropriate to the youngsters of today.. or it could be?

Also I said a wrong reason to enter into TEFL was "You don't know what you want to do with your life ", and his (next) reply was "I failed in life and needed a job."

The juxtaposition of those two comments is clear, but to a more experienced teacher he was joking or provoking further dialogue. I assessed the various outcomes that could result after my reply and decided scot's post was in jest and my own would do likewise. Either that, or I didn't reply at all, and what fun would that be?
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D. Amokachi



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I got into it for the wrong reasons, but stayed for the right ones.
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AnzaExo



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the heat of the moment wrote:
AnzaExo wrote:
I have a really independent personality so I don't think that will be a a problem Very Happy I also really want to experience living in a new country and this seems like the best way to do so.

I've pretty much determined this is the path for me right now. I'm currently saving up for the CELTA and am starting to learn the local language. Hopefully within six months I can make the move!


Good for you, AnzaExo, have you lived in or been exposed to other countries or cultures? It's not a 'done deal' either way but it'll help when you make the move if you've had some experience of other cultures.

Also, do your research on the school: Personally, I could live in the arsehole of the armpit of the back of beyond if I have a very supportive faculty and a good apartment. I've had a freezing apartment but really engaged colleagues and students (good), a comfortable apartment but the management were nasty and some dickish colleagues and students (very bad), a suitable apartment and very good faculty and students (nice), and a gross apartment, great faculty and lovely students (bad).


I do! I traveled through East Asia and the Middle East earlier this year for nearly five months. I traveled independently, with no itinerary, made many friends, and absolutely loved the experience. Thank you for the advice.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"self-deprecating" or "self-depreciating"

Go find a dictionary

Excuse me, some pigeons in the park are waiting for their poison.
Was that Tom Lehrer ? Or this guy -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Kreisler
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
"self-deprecating" or "self-depreciating"

Go find a dictionary

But that's better than "self-defecating." Razz
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NS
I am shocked that a young lady should use such language in mixed company.
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:30 pm    Post subject: Do It Yourself Reply with quote

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But that's better than "self-defecating."


Freud believed otherwise. Wink
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would a "good reason" be ? To act as a missionary in spreading the Anglospheric ideals of democracy, liberty and free speech ? In teaching the Calibans of this World to obey Honkie ?

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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a recoverer of self-deprecation seeking terms of self-effacement.
Self-aggrandizers are my sworn enemy.

I don't save the world, only my corner of it.
Ignorance is bliss, but I've spent a lot of time trying to disprove it.

__Below & Above__
Those below you *beep* themselves
Those above you know
--Low, 1995

Ahh, filters and poetry...The filtered term is "to sell oneself".
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The filtered term is "to sell oneself".

WHO'RE you talkin' about? Very Happy
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad chemicals in his head ?
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are stated policies in regard to circumventing this site's filter, boys.
And an observance of freedom to express and address meaning. I attempted to strike a balance.

Goad all you like, there's method to the madness and a thematic continuity to the post in regard to how anyone _____s themselves.

I reserve my altered states for what bosom (and whose) so extends the invitation by graces irresistible. I highly recommend the policy.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one wasn't goading (WTH?!), and if the above counts as circumventing, all I can say is, that'd be looking for offence where literally none exists (think about it).
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