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mitsui



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another one. In a sandwich if you add a slice of tomato, lettuce and an onion slice they are a salad. WTF? To me they are just vegetables.
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santi84



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A salad is, by definition, just a mixture of vegetables. Fancie pants vinaigrette or crappy Kraft dressing not required. True, in North America (speaking for Canadians), we don't commonly use the term "salad" to describe the mixture of vegetables between bread. The term is not incorrect. In Canadian French, the term made it across the pond ("salade", when asking for vegetables in a "sous-marin"), but for some reason it didn't in Canadian English.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/salad?s=t

Don't see that mentioned.

I don't teach French. I teach American English.
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santi84



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merriam-Webster has it, as does any basic cookbook.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

santi84 wrote:
Merriam-Webster has it, as does any basic cookbook.


I have never seen a cookbook that called veggies in a meal salad unless it was salad.
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Common usage is often derived from simpler terms. A salad can be any vegetable suitable for eating raw...meanwhile

Women Laughing Alone with Salad (Tumbler)
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santi84



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
santi84 wrote:
Merriam-Webster has it, as does any basic cookbook.


I have never seen a cookbook that called veggies in a meal salad unless it was salad.


Basic culinary cookbooks that focus on prep and technique, rather than recipes.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So at best that is a non-standard variety.
Even in London people would not say that.
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3701 W.119th



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add lettuce and tomato (and usually a bit of salad cream / mayo) to any sandwich and it becomes a 'X salad sandwich'. Chicken salad sandwich, ham salad sandwich, etc. Add it to a bacon butty and it becomes a BLT.

I've never considered the bacon or sausage butty to be a 'sandwich', but more a distinct breakfast item.

What are we talking about again?
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really have to wonder if its thanks to Subway that anyone would use
this expression.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
So at best that is a non-standard variety.
Even in London people would not say that.


You would struggle to find anyone in the UK who doesn't call lettuce, tomato, etc in a sandwich 'salad', even in London.

How can anyone with such a rigid view of language survive as an English teacher? Obsessing over such trivial differences can only be making you miserable.