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lugubregondola
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But this isn't the appropriate thread for discussing authentications since the OP doesn't have a degree.  |
As others on here have said, you DON't need a degree to teach in china, all you need to be is a native speaker who is white and has a pulse.  |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| lugubregondola wrote: |
What does the university have to do that for? What's the point of a notary then if the university get involved?
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Plus there's plenty of online universities from the USA any American can "get" a degree from in a couple of weeks. |
In the US, the registrar's office administers all student records including grades, courses attended, etc., and of course, issues diplomas. So it makes sense that the process starts there. Additionally, the US Dept of Education maintains an online database of valid universities as well as one for bogus entities. (The latter aren't likely to provide an affidavit or official transcripts of all coursework completed.) Foreign consulates are likely to access that info when approving visa applications.
Anyway, you seem obsessed about degree authentications/attestations and fake documents. Give it a rest; otherwise, others will suspect your academic credetial isn't legit. |
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lugubregondola
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Not really, I was just pointing out that some notaries don't check properly in the UK and that the registrar doesn't get involved it's up to the notary to contact the registrar which some don't bother doing for some reason.
for Korea, I had to supply a notarised degree and apostille it and I also had to give the Korean embassy in London the name address, website and phone number of my uni so they could check before issuing me with an E2 visa which they did. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| lugubregondola wrote: |
| As others on here have said, you DON't need a degree to teach in china, all you need to be is a native speaker who is white and has a pulse. |
Yep, an overwhelming number of posters on this thread have stated the OP should head on over to China without a degree. No problems, no worries, hakuna matata!  |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
Additionally, the US Dept of Education maintains an online database of valid universities as well as one for bogus entities. (The latter aren't likely to provide an affidavit or official transcripts of all coursework completed.) Foreign consulates are likely to access that info when approving visa applications.
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1. NO legitimate school will issue student transcripts to anyone except the student unless the student pays the registrar for the transcripts and directs the registrar to send the transcripts to the school. Several years ago, an American journalist's background was called into question and the publisher got the local DA to file a subpoena to force the Dean of Students at the university to release the records of the journalist.
2. A company called Verify will send an employer confirmation of a student having attended a given school and will verify whether he has graduated or not. It will not give any other information.
3. You are correct. Unless something has changed during the past twenty years, no government database exists that holds student grades, so none can release student transcript records. |
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lugubregondola
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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In the UK we have data protection laws so consulates wouldn't be able to just check an online database without first getting permission from the owner of the records (the student) to do so. There aren't any online databases in the UK anyway, the universities solely maintain student records.
This is why when you attest your credentials at the SACB (Saudi consulate) you are required to fill in a form ALLOWING the consulate to get hold of your records. I don't know any other consulate in the world who does this.
Therefore what with notaries not checking and consulates not asking for permission to check, someone who is hell bent on gaining employment abroad possibly could do so. Obviously not so in the US where you have databases as you say and the state authenticates the degrees. An American could still say he studied in the UK I suppose though and try that way to get a job. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Additionally, the US Dept of Education maintains an online database of valid universities as well as one for bogus entities. (The latter aren't likely to provide an affidavit or official transcripts of all coursework completed.) Foreign consulates are likely to access that info when approving visa applications. |
1. NO legitimate school will issue student transcripts to anyone except the student unless the student pays the registrar for the transcripts and directs the registrar to send the transcripts to the school. Several years ago, an American journalist's background was called into question and the publisher got the local DA to file a subpoena to force the Dean of Students at the university to release the records of the journalist.
2. A company called Verify will send an employer confirmation of a student having attended a given school and will verify whether he has graduated or not. It will not give any other information.
3. You are correct. Unless something has changed during the past twenty years, no government database exists that holds student grades, so none can release student transcript records. |
Per my previous response, if you click on the link I provided, it's the US govt's database of accredited universities; it does not include student data.
The individual universities are the official record keepers of student grades, conferral dates, coursework completed/enrolled in, attendance dates, yada yada. Moreover, the US Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 (FERPA) protects the student's academic records; it takes his/her signed permission to have this info released from the university registrar's office to another party (e.g., employers, background check companies, consulates, etc.). DegreeVerify is a national clearinghouse that verifies enrollment and degree conferral. It's limited but is another layer that confirms the legitimacy of a degree. Anyway, having verification come directly from the source (i.e., the uni registrar) is ideal in terms of authentication, which is why many state Secretaries of State require this route. |
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