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some waygug-in · Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 339

http://www.peakoil.net/

Just do a google search on "peak Oil" and see what else is out there. The picture is not too rosy, and it is coming sooner than most of us think.

We need to be doing something about this now, not after the crisis hits.

This site has links to various articles related to the topic.

http://www.peakoil.org/

Dr.J · Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 304 Location: usually Japan

When I was at school I found an old textbook from the 60's stating that all the worlds oil resources would be gone by the 1990's.

Of course it'll happen eventually. I'm going to put my money in hydrogen cars that run on sunflower oil.

waxwing · Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China

Glad you brought it up. Wish more people would
As to hydrogen, we had a discussion about this already in this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=9209&start=30

some waygug-in · Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 339

Take a look at this site.

http://www.awitness.org/journal/peak_oil.html

Some arguments pro and con on peak oil and it's effects.

Ludwig · Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:15 pm Post subject:

This is very interesting:

http://www.peakoil.net//Publications/Cheney_PeakOil_FCD.pdf

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

I experienced the 1973 oil crisis consciously, and I am happy every time there is a oil shortage coming up. Unfortunately, the guzzlers and wasters don't learn any lesson, and that's why the whole world is going down the drain.

While I don't drive a car, those bloody American idiots driving their SUVs to their airports and back home or to work and back home are the main reason why we are witnessing the melting of glaciers all over the globe, plus unprecedented climate changes.

I specified "Aermican iditios" - because Americans have never helped design fule-economic cars or even thought about curbing the excessive use of combustion engine vehicles.

America is an underdeveloped society.

struelle · Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai

waxwing · Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China

Important aspect to bear in mind, I agree Steve, but let's not forget that even now with America all 'supra-industrialised' or whatever, the per capita American consumption of energy is massively higher than the equivalent figure for China.
Right?

Winmar · Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Melbourne

The Australian government's just as bad as America's. It's shameful.

ls650 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

Yes, Steve, the conscientiously gas-guzzlers are being emulated here in China now - the world's fastest turbo-charged motorisation underway. And, the Chinese government decreed a decade ear5lier that automobiles are one of the nation's economic pillars - they want to dominate the world's automotive markets.

That's really bad news. So bad indeed that we are choking here in southern China like the English did during the Industrial Revolution when coal dust was engulfing the whole nation.

Yesterday, Hong Kong's air pollution hit the newest record -201 (whatever that means), its air definitely is dirtier than L.A. smog; the air is as tansparent these days as a white piece of paper held against a 40 Watt bulb. Most of this atmospheric tash is combustion engine emissions.

Because China is no longer self-sufficient, the provision of crude oil to China's petroleum industry is of paramount and political importance; so important indeed that the PR of C is clandestinely and not-so clandestinely getting involved in trouble hotspots such as Sudan's Darfur refugee crisis, Iraq and Russia.

The Zhongnanhai honchos have voiced their disagreement with the Western powers over the issue of whether anyone should intervene on behalf of those Sudanese refugees...
Not that the Sudan has big known oil reserves - but any oil reserves under its desert sands might be welcome to the Chinese!

sanadamushi · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 21 Location: Osaka

We are doing something about it, what do you think the 'war' in Iraq is about? The whole administration is staffed by big oil, coal, and respective companies. The central asian republics are the next gold-mine, but we will have to fight russia over them, perpetual war baby.

mjed9 · Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 242

http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/news/details?item_id=578881

I wonder how much they are?

misteradventure · Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 246

This has no place here... unless you are an accredited expert in the field. As I am not aware of ANY Petroleum Geologists in ESL (much less enough to hold a substantial debate), we shouldn't even be discussing this.

Lets keep in mind that this whole idea is a GREAT way to justify invading countries to get their resources (theft) while restricting people's freedom (slavery...heard of conscription?) I doubt anyone would sanction some guy breaking into your flat because he wanted to watch TV and he hadn't paid his electric bill... never mind the fact he broke your nose when you confronted him!

MY POINT: Running out of oil may be a MYTH to justify rising prices. NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE WHERE OIL REALLY COMES FROM! The 'rotting plants' theory has been proven wrong, but they still teach Newtonian Physics in school, too (Einstein proved Newton wrong, even though his theory of gravitation works with an acceptable margin of error for short distances.)

Reading for you few who actually do your homework:
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html
http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html
http://www.joevialls.co.uk/subliminalsuggestion/oil2.html
http://www.peakoil.com/article31.html
http://healthandenergy.com/peak_oil_and_ww3.htm

Please also page through their references as well.

You might learn something... people make money off of this stuff.
If you are really concerned, start walking.

some people

ls650 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia